Click it or Ticket...Primary seatbelt law to pass.

[sinSStr]

This law unfortunately interferes with the natural selection from Darwinism and may result in further degradation of our society as well as contributing to global warming.

Well yeah, obviously.

[Scotty07]

oh fucking great. why don't those pigs come brush my teeth for me too. Get a gawd damn grip people. this is redonkulous. It's all about more gov't money and less freedom. now every pile of shit pig will have an excuse to pull over any vehicle any time ever. "oh, I didn't see your belt, sir"

FUCKING BANANAS

If you don't see the problem here, you are part of it!

I was waiting for Sir Bust-a-nut to chime in!

[Max Power]

Hopefully this saves lives and helps to keep insurance premiums from rising. I don't start my car without the belt on.

Dying is cheap. Really cheap.

There is no study that shows dying without a seatbelt costs more than any other form of dying.

We need to really lose this mindset that death from personal behavior costs more and eliminating it would save you insurance money. Does anybody seriously think insurance companies would drop rates if that occurred? If this saves 30-100 lives out of 4 million insured in this state, is that even a drop in the bucket? Give me a break.

[GoldenPlump]

Dying is cheap. Really cheap.

There is no study that shows dying without a seatbelt costs more than any other form of dying.

We need to really lose this mindset that death from personal behavior costs more and eliminating it would save you insurance money. Does anybody seriously think insurance companies would drop rates if that occurred? If this saves 30-100 lives out of 4 million insured in this state, is that even a drop in the bucket? Give me a break.

Except that you don't always die instantly from not wearing one. Going to the hospital for major medical costs so much fucking money that it's unreal. Ambulance ride, about $2k. If they do so much as start the medevac chopper it costs you $10k. When I spent 7 days in the hospital after my appendix broke it cost me $25,000. I'm willing to bet 7 days on life support and multiple surguries easily costs over $200k

[OrangeCrush 86]

Complete bullshit. And no, it won't lower your insurance premiums.

This type of legislation on results in more tickets being written, not more seat belt use. Hell, premiums might even go up because the insurance company will be more aware of how many people don't ware a belt.

[Fernanernie]

Except that you don't always die instantly from not wearing one. Going to the hospital for major medical costs so much fucking money that it's unreal. Ambulance ride, about $2k. If they do so much as start the medevac chopper it costs you $10k. When I spent 7 days in the hospital after my appendix broke it cost me $25,000. I'm willing to bet 7 days on life support and multiple surguries easily costs over $200k

While I can't speak for your personal bills, I can tell you that those numbers are slightly inflated. Your average ambulace ride is about $800, while medivacs are $5-$7k. I can also attest that it isn't the cost of dying that is inflating medical costs, it's the cost of living. Technology is the biggest reason healthcare costs have gone up in the past 10-15 years

[Mullet Tuner]

Except that you don't always die instantly from not wearing one. Going to the hospital for major medical costs so much fucking money that it's unreal. Ambulance ride, about $2k. If they do so much as start the medevac chopper it costs you $10k. When I spent 7 days in the hospital after my appendix broke it cost me $25,000. I'm willing to bet 7 days on life support and multiple surguries easily costs over $200k

[Scotty07]

While I can't speak for your personal bills, I can tell you that those numbers are slightly inflated. Your average ambulace ride is about $800, while medivacs are $5-$7k. I can also attest that it isn't the cost of dying that is inflating medical costs, it's the cost of living. Technology is the biggest reason healthcare costs have gone up in the past 10-15 years

My BLS bambulance ride last year, $1350.

Three days in hospital following above bambulance ride (diagnostic testing, semi-private room) $15K.

My six day hospital stay and single level neck fusion surgery, $46K. That was not ICU, just a private room (which most are in the newer area of that hospital).

Surgery on boths knees (orthoscopic), half-day stay, $9K.

Then there is all of the injections, nerve burns, PT, other diagnostic testing, etc etc etc. Total so far and still running..... $130K.

Although this was not motorvehicle related, it just goes to show how EXPENSIVE healthcare is these days.

When someone dies or is hurt in a car crash it just does not affect that single person. It affects all of those in that person's life, plus many outside of it through increases in healthcare cost, auto insurance, liability insurance, government programs (because many don't have health insurance and even those that do sometimes need to seek assitance to help out), etc.

How about wrongful death lawsuits? Negligence? Pain and suffering? Current medical? Future medical? Loss of companionship? Loss of income? A single serious car crash can cost millions of dollars when all is said and done? Who pays for it? WE DO!

How do you think the insurance companies get their money? Much is through premiums. When they pay out, they need people to pay in. How do they do this? RAISE THE RATES!

How about the gubbermint. How do they raise the money to pay for healthcare for those that can't afford it, or subsidize hospitals for the care they are REQUIRED to give even if someone can't afford it? THEY RAISE TAXES.

For those of you who think there are not a shit load of costs for deaths or injuries that may well have been prevented or lessened by use of a seatbelt, pull your head out of your smelly orifice.

/RANT

[LES]

My BLS bambulance ride last year, $1350.

Three days in hospital following above bambulance ride (diagnostic testing, semi-private room) $15K.

My six day hospital stay and single level neck fusion surgery, $46K. That was not ICU, just a private room (which most are in the newer area of that hospital).

Surgery on boths knees (orthoscopic), half-day stay, $9K.

Then there is all of the injections, nerve burns, PT, other diagnostic testing, etc etc etc. Total so far and still running..... $130K.

Although this was not motorvehicle related, it just goes to show how EXPENSIVE healthcare is these days.

When someone dies or is hurt in a car crash it just does not affect that single person. It affects all of those in that person's life, plus many outside of it through increases in healthcare cost, auto insurance, liability insurance, government programs (because many don't have health insurance and even those that do sometimes need to seek assitance to help out), etc.

How about wrongful death lawsuits? Negligence? Pain and suffering? Current medical? Future medical? Loss of companionship? Loss of income? A single serious car crash can cost millions of dollars when all is said and done? Who pays for it? WE DO!

How do you think the insurance companies get their money? Much is through premiums. When they pay out, they need people to pay in. How do they do this? RAISE THE RATES!

How about the gubbermint. How do they raise the money to pay for healthcare for those that can't afford it, or subsidize hospitals for the care they are REQUIRED to give even if someone can't afford it? THEY RAISE TAXES.

For those of you who think there are not a shit load of costs for deaths or injuries that may well have been prevented or lessened by use of a seatbelt, pull your head out of your smelly orifice.

/RANT

:idiot:

Fuck I would have sent you to the glue factory a long time ago!

[GoldenPlump]

While I can't speak for your personal bills, I can tell you that those numbers are slightly inflated. Your average ambulace ride is about $800, while medivacs are $5-$7k.

My ambulance rides cost a lot more than $800, and that was back in 2000! Trust me on this, because my insurance didn't cover one of my rides.

http://wcco.com/health/good.question.ambulance.2.568047.html

It sure is. An ambulance ride in St. Paul costs more than $1000 plus $11 per mile and there are additional charges. A recent 1-mile long ride topped $1400.

Hennepin County Medical Center in Minneapolis charges $925 plus $17 per mile.

[GoldenPlump]

a shitload of stuff in blue text

For once I agree with this guy.

Statistics on seat belt use.

Approximately 35,000 people die in motor vehicle crashes each year. About 50 percent (17,000) of these people could be saved if they wore their safety belts.

For every one percent increase in safety belt use, 172 lives and close to $100 million in annual injury and death costs could be saved.

Safety belts when used properly reduce the number of serious traffic injuries by 50 percent and fatalities by 60-70 percent.

Motorists are 25 times are more likely to be killed or seriously injured when they are "thrown clear" than when remain inside their vehicle.

This is funny, TCS is very very republican yet it seems that a lot of you are all about making everyone else pay for your stupidity. That is a very LIBERAL way of thinking isn't it?

Yes it SHOULD BE your right to drive around without a seatbelt, but your insurance company should not have to pay for your injuries if it was determined that you were not wearing your belt. Don't wanna wear a belt? Fine...Have fun paying off those medical bills for the next 30 years.

[OrangeCrush 86]

For once I agree with this guy.

Statistics on seat belt use.


This is funny, TCS is very very republican yet it seems that a lot of you are all about making everyone else pay for your stupidity. That is a very LIBERAL way of thinking isn't it?

Yes it SHOULD BE your right to drive around without a seatbelt, but your insurance company should not have to pay for your injuries if it was determined that you were not wearing your belt. Don't wanna wear a belt? Fine...Have fun paying off those medical bills for the next 30 years.

If you want to let insurance companies decide the laws it's your right to do that, along with trading freedom to save a few dollars (or so you say).

In my opinion government is a primary culprit for outrageous medical expenses.

[Scorpner]

Requiring a higher level of competence (ie. maintaining control and avoidance) to gain a license would be more productive and go a long way in reducing accidents. Those that couldn't pass the tests could fill the seats of the mass transit the gov wants so badly.

[OrangeCrush 86]

Requiring a higher level of competence (ie. maintaining control and avoidance) to gain a license would be more productive and go a long way in reducing accidents. Those that couldn't pass the tests could fill the seats of the mass transit the gov wants so badly.

The problem with that is it would cost the state money to set up a program for car control etc., where as handing out ass loads of tickets generates "revenue".

[Scotty07]

:idiot:

Fuck I would have sent you to the glue factory a long time ago!

It is getting to that point!