Nascar Tarck To Be Built In MN

[Mullet Tuner]

I'd rather race a 230hp car in a parking lot than watch ANY sport.
IMO, racing is a terrible spectator sport, regardless if it's IRL, NASCAR, topr fuel drag racing, Motocross, tractor pulls, or whatever. I guess that's how I feel about pretty much every game/sport. That being said, circle track racing is one of the most boring types of motorsports ever invented, second only to drag racing.

So would you rather drive a nextel cup car, or your mustang?

[PHRANQUY]

You obviously have no idea what your talking about.

Yes, i know nothing. I know more than you think.

[ScotWithOne_t]

So would you rather drive a nextel cup car, or your mustang?

I'd rather drive the Nextel Cup car, but that question is irrelevant, becuase I have no realistic chance of ever driving a Nextel cup car. A better quesiotn would be; would I rather tear around an AutoX track in a rusted out Pinto running on 3 cylinders, or WATCH a NASCAR race, IRL race, or ANY race. Then I'll take the Pinto.

Now let's say I have connections, and I have a choice of running Dale Jr.'s #8 car around Daytona, or going around Road Atlanta in my car, I'll still choose my car.
Conversely, If I could take MY car around Daytona, or the #8 car around Road America, THEN I would take the NASCAR. It's not the cars I don't like...it's the boring ass oval tracks.

[Mullet Tuner]

Yes, i know nothing. I know more than you think.

Obviously you dont, if you know so much about mndragways, you would know that the reason they stopped pursuing it was not because of politics.

[PHRANQUY]

No, it wasn't. And politics wasn't the only reason that Pine Run stopped either.

[TurboX2]

theduckylittle...

point 1 - completely moot in the case of a small track, there are no massive infrastructure changes required, just a turn off a highway into a facility....

point 2 - very valid, homeowners have much pull

point 3 - instead of going into a huge political diatribe did you stop to consider the simple fact that all those track locations you mentioned are in sparsely populated areas? It has nothing to do with red vs. blue, the fewer people there are in an area to complain the easier it is to build something like a racetrack. When you get to the more populated parts of the state it becomes infinitely more difficult to get approval for something like a racetrack. Not exactly rocket science, see point 2 reply.....

[theduckylittle]

point 1 - completely moot in the case of a small track, there are no massive infrastructure changes required, just a turn off a highway into a facility....

That's true, but if it IS close to a populated area it's required. And even making a "small" road in a remote area is hard to deal with. Something as large as a NASCAR track, especially one that runs Nextel Cup series races WILL and DOES require a lot of good back bone to be built.

point 3 - instead of going into a huge political diatribe did you stop to consider the simple fact that all those track locations you mentioned are in sparsely populated areas? It has nothing to do with red vs. blue, the fewer people there are in an area to complain the easier it is to build something like a racetrack. When you get to the more populated parts of the state it becomes infinitely more difficult to get approval for something like a racetrack. Not exactly rocket science, see point 2 reply.....

Diatribe > Cheap Shots. There's not a single reason why LIBERALS are blocking the construction. I get SICK of hearing that. LIBERAL/CONSERVATIVE has NOTHING to do with the construction of a race track. The remote places that a track could feasibly be built are ENTIRELY CONSERVATIVE locales. You didn't start it, but there are at least 2 post s in this thread (skimmed a couple of other posts) that ACCUSE LIBERALS as being the problem ... which is WRONG.

-Duck

[Fast One]

I hate nascar because it's boring to watch. When I lived in Virginia, I used to hang out with some guys I worked with and it was a ritual to turn on the TV on Sunday's and watch nascar the whole day, drink beer, eat shitty food etc. After attempting to watch one race, that was enough for me. To watch cars go around in a circle over abd over again is not fun to watch. Not to me anyways.

I feel the same way about drag racing. I find it boring to watch.

Both are motorsports, but I just don't like to watch them.

Okay.....but the context here is to go to a race in person -- to a local track -- not to watch it on TV.

At any rate....to each his/her own.......

[Fast One]

That's true, but if it IS close to a populated area it's required. And even making a "small" road in a remote area is hard to deal with. Something as large as a NASCAR track, especially one that runs Nextel Cup series races WILL and DOES require a lot of good back bone to be built. -Duck

Yes...and in the case of a track that hosts Cup races, the entire local infrastructure has to be designed to handle 80,000-120,000 attendees. Including the access roads, public utilities, emergency services, etc. These are not trivial matters....

[SuperVette]

IM all for any track. NASCAR or anyother roadcourse. Its nothing like watching on tv its the fastes growing spectator sport. Not only revenue it would bring in, but chances for younger drivers. IE close to home. But they have a hard enough time trying to put up a simple drag strip anywhere. The talk of one going up in Elko has been going on forever and nothing has ever happened.

[giddy-up]

This post got waaayyy off track. Bottom line, money talks. Again, if you build a track that is within 60 miles of mpls or stp, in some old farm field (that according to the democrats was being polluted with chemicals) what's the difference??? You mean to tell me that a (mega) or super speedway that can line the pockets of the mall of America, camp shoot me, hotels, airports, bla bla bla... How did Chicago get build a few years back???
For those of you that don't like the sport... fine. I guess you don't like a lot of speed and horsepower. get on the Honda board. beat it. For those of you that don't think corporate sponsors Hq'd in MN don't want it here, give me a break!! Target, Schwans, 3M, General Mills, Wells, yada yada yada.... Are you fucking kidding me??? Let the .03% of liberal butt fucks in the state go up against them... good night! If the owners of the twins- vikings, and Nascar had a brain in their head, they would make a mega complex to share parking, put 2 stadium next to one another on the backstrect of a 2 mile tri-oval, rent the boxes out to nascar fans/sponsors that face the stadium on one side, the track on the other, put grandstands around the whole thing, grandstands on the backside of the 2 stadiums and get-r-dun.. That makes too much sense.....I'll shut up.

[Gipper]

I skimmed through most of the posts in this thread and I’m very surprised that Brainerd International Raceway wasn’t even mentioned once!!!! Several of the posts (mostly on the first page of this thread) mentioned people wanting a road course.. WE ALREADY HAVE ONE!!!! It has one of the fastest straights of all the road course’s in the country, it’s three miles long, has plenty of parking in the infield for large crowds. (not to mention it’s currently the fastest ¼ mile in the country…. 336 MPH… Tony Schumacher…..United States Army Top Fuel Dragster) Why would you start from scratch to build something that already exists??? I know the place needs some work, it’s NOT perfect but think about it…. Put a fraction of the money it would take to build a completely new track into a already existing track (for upgrades) and PROFIT way more money, way sooner than you would if you had to recover the costs for a new track.

Now I realize it all comes down to money…Which has been the problem for other race tracks proposed recently. However, If someone could “Lock-In” a racing series like Bush, the Nascar late model touring series, whatever ASA turned into or….. Hell, maybe even Nextel Cup for that matter to a 5 or 10 year contract I would think investors would jump at the chance to upgrade BIR considering the growth of circle racing over the last ten years. I’m no expert but wouldn’t that make sense???


Someone in an earlier post asked about the Chicago race track and how they got it approved locally.

I’ve been to that track several times (for drag racing, it’s next door to the circle track, I hate Nascar) The second time I was there I started talking to the guy standing next to me. Turns out, He was the guy in charge of the fund raising and was involved with getting the local government to approve the new race tracks. He told me…….. The citizens who live in that city (it might have been the whole county, I cant remember which) made a deal with the race track organizers….. All citizens will get free license tab’s for their cars for X number of years (can’t remember the exact number of years) for letting them build a race track in their community. Like I said, The guy who told me this was directly involved with getting the tracks passed and built…. He may have been full of shit but I thought it sounded like a great idea!!!! He said even though the money for everyone’s license tabs came “right off the top” the two race tracks (circle and drag race) still make PLENTY of money…

Sounds to me like the city officials and the citizens in Joliet Illinois have got their shit together!!!!! Maybe the people and city governments here in Minnesota should take some notes from the people in Joliet!!!


I could keep rambling on about this for a long time but you’re probably tired of reading this post and I know I’m sick of typing with two fingers….. I hate typing!!!

[sport the war]

im talking somewhere around elko, something should be able to be built around there, the locals are always watching the eve of destruction there. hell it's like the local football team down there. tell them they're getting a nascar track or a dragstrip instead of watching midget cars and buses slamming into each other.. see if they let it fly.. i dont see why it wouldnt be possible to build on something that's already there, hell elko's what 45 minutes from minneapolis?

[Gipper]

..... the locals are always watching the eve of destruction there. hell it's like the local football team down there.....

I know what you mean!!!!!

Hell, I think 95% of the people that live near that track worship the place. And is seems like most of them are named either Fredrickson or Jorgenson!!!! (at least it was that way in the mid to late 90’s)

[Dave90GT]

This won't happen.

Dave