Meth head tweeker should have died.

[sinSStr]

Blatant.

[CAMSS30]

So after sifting through all the idiot posts I have come back to say YES the guy should have died, meth head or not who cares about him and his life. And we all know that most of you crying about Tim wishing the guy died are just being like that to give Tim a heart attack, not 1 of you would care a shit about him if it was your ultra rare mopar lets be real here.

[mnstang]

Amazing what people value a life at when it isn't theirs.

i don't really care if the guy died or not, but i'm not going to say he should die for what he did, because i'm not God -aka Newbomb Turk.
the guy fucked up and is going to get punished for it, done. i just don't give 2 shits about some pos mopar shitmobile.

[Scotty07]

HUH. Although I agree with some but not all of what you have said, what you describe is making normal mistakes. Even though the girls parents showed you compassion I would hope your parents raised you to accept the consequences of your actions. Or maybe you were too young to understand that yet. So really comparing a adult meth head stealing a car then destroying that car to a little boy hitting a little girl in the face with a ball are apples and oranges. You were still being molded and shaped as you learned tough life lessons. This person was an adult, and although I think people can change, seems to have made 2 very bad decisions. He now needs to face the consequences of those decisions. With not knowing his past criminal record I cant pass judgment on him at this point. But will say if him being killed in this accident was a consequence of his action I don't see how that is wanting revenge. I again would not say " I wish he had died" Never would say that. But then again if he had been killed, I wouldn't feel sorry or compassion for him as it is a direct result of his own actions. Now the true test of this young man will be if he takes this as a wake up call and uses it to better himself like you have chosen to do. Only time will tell when it comes to that I guess. Looking at the car , fate has definitely given him a second chance to do just that.

One or two good points there, ol' chap.

My response was not to compare smacking some kid in the melon with a ball to what the guy in this thread did. Clearly they are not a direct comparison. The first part was to rebut what Fosters said. The next part was to show a couple of examples of empathy and compassion towards others which had been mentioned in other threads.

And clearly people should be held accountable for their actions and the consequences of them. I have never said they shouldn't. The issue I have is when some random people on the internet get all bent out of shape over something that has no direct effect on them and continually wish ill will on people. There is a system in place to deal with miscreants and that system is the legal system. It is the best in the world, although not perfect. It also affords the true victim of a crime a voice, although limited, in the outcome of the case. Nowhere is there a place in our society for vigilante style justice and those that truly advocate it really are not that much different from those that they wish to dish their form of justice out on.

Here is one more example. Take a look at the Amy Senser case. She screwed up big time. She was charged and convicted. If you read or listened to the news there were countless people asking for her head on a platter, and not a one of those people were directly effected by her crime. They were nothing more than citizens voicing there need for revenge and blood lust.

Yet, when it came to sentencing, do you know who showed her empathy and compassion? The victim's family. Yeah, that's right. The very people who actually had every right in the world to be pissed off, angry, and want her thrown in prison. They were the ones who stood up and accepted her apology with a tremendous amount of grace. Did they still want her to pay for her crime? Absolutely. But, they were also willing to forgive and try to move on. Why? Because that is how they were raised and they knew that to harbor feelings of anger and hatred would do nothing but destroy them from the inside out.

[CAMSS30]

One or two good points there, ol' chap.

My response was not to compare smacking some kid in the melon with a ball to what the guy in this thread did. Clearly they are not a direct comparison. The first part was to rebut what Fosters said. The next part was to show a couple of examples of empathy and compassion towards others which had been mentioned in other threads.

And clearly people should be held accountable for their actions and the consequences of them. I have never said they shouldn't. The issue I have is when some random people on the internet get all bent out of shape over something that has no direct effect on them and continually wish ill will on people. There is a system in place to deal with miscreants and that system is the legal system. It is the best in the world, although not perfect. It also affords the true victim of a crime a voice, although limited, in the outcome of the case. Nowhere is there a place in our society for vigilante style justice and those that truly advocate it really are not that much different from those that they wish to dish their form of justice out on.

Here is one more example. Take a look at the Amy Senser case. She screwed up big time. She was charged and convicted. If you read or listened to the news there were countless people asking for her head on a platter, and not a one of those people were directly effected by her crime. They were nothing more than citizens voicing there need for revenge and blood lust.

Yet, when it came to sentencing, do you know who showed her empathy and compassion? The victim's family. Yeah, that's right. The very people who actually had every right in the world to be pissed off, angry, and want her thrown in prison. They were the ones who stood up and accepted her apology with a tremendous amount of grace. Did they still want her to pay for her crime? Absolutely. But, they were also willing to forgive and try to move on. Why? Because that is how they were raised and they knew that to harbor feelings of anger and hatred would do nothing but destroy them from the inside out.

They did that after she finally showed regret and guess what is next a civil case.

[LES]

One or two good points there, ol' chap.

My response was not to compare smacking some kid in the melon with a ball to what the guy in this thread did. Clearly they are not a direct comparison. The first part was to rebut what Fosters said. The next part was to show a couple of examples of empathy and compassion towards others which had been mentioned in other threads.

And clearly people should be held accountable for their actions and the consequences of them. I have never said they shouldn't. The issue I have is when some random people on the internet get all bent out of shape over something that has no direct effect on them and continually wish ill will on people. There is a system in place to deal with miscreants and that system is the legal system. It is the best in the world, although not perfect. It also affords the true victim of a crime a voice, although limited, in the outcome of the case. Nowhere is there a place in our society for vigilante style justice and those that truly advocate it really are not that much different from those that they wish to dish their form of justice out on.

Here is one more example. Take a look at the Amy Senser case. She screwed up big time. She was charged and convicted. If you read or listened to the news there were countless people asking for her head on a platter, and not a one of those people were directly effected by her crime. They were nothing more than citizens voicing there need for revenge and blood lust.

Yet, when it came to sentencing, do you know who showed her empathy and compassion? The victim's family. Yeah, that's right. The very people who actually had every right in the world to be pissed off, angry, and want her thrown in prison. They were the ones who stood up and accepted her apology with a tremendous amount of grace. Did they still want her to pay for her crime? Absolutely. But, they were also willing to forgive and try to move on. Why? Because that is how they were raised and they knew that to harbor feelings of anger and hatred would do nothing but destroy them from the inside out.

People always will give their opinion on things that have nothing to do with them. I really did not care either way on the Amy Sensor case. I really just wanted the justice system to be consistent regardless of her last name.. I guess this thread has changed a few time over the course of the postings. And I don't think Tim was saying anyone should go hunt this kid down vigilante style and hang him in the town square. He simply stated that he feels that society would have been better off if he died in the crash. Again I would NEVER say anything like that. But will again say if he had I would not lose sleep over it. I don't think this in anyway would mean I don't have compassion or empathy. As far as Fosters post, I should have gone back and read it. I normally dont . LOL

[Killer Capri]

he should learn to fear and respect that escalator. not sayin his mother should have to endure that horrible bloodbath...

[mnstang]

he should learn to fear and respect that escalator. not sayin his mother should have to endure that horrible bloodbath...

that kid is BACK on the escalator!

[sinSStr]

that kid is BACK on the escalator!

[TRDon]

Yet, when it came to sentencing, do you know who showed her empathy and compassion? The victim's family. Yeah, that's right. The very people who actually had every right in the world to be pissed off, angry, and want her thrown in prison. They were the ones who stood up and accepted her apology with a tremendous amount of grace. Did they still want her to pay for her crime? Absolutely. But, they were also willing to forgive and try to move on. Why? Because that is how they were raised and they knew that to harbor feelings of anger and hatred would do nothing but destroy them from the inside out.

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Keep in mind the compassionate family were first generation immigrants. They haven't learned the culture of eye for a fingernail yet.

[Turbohwagon]

It's not too late to shoot the meth head. All you have to do is yell out "He's coming right for us!", then it's justified.

[02SilverZ]

They used to hang horse thieves. True story.

[CAMSS30]

They used to hang horse thieves. True story.

Good point.

[Fosters]

why "especially car thieves"? because you value cars more than other things? sound logic.

so what about people like sport the war that don't pay taxes? those people are effectively stealing from every one of us who do pay taxes. shotgunned also?

Paying taxes isn't patriotic, Joe Biden; and when 50% of the people have to carry the other 50% on their back, until the tax code is fixed so "everyone has some skin in the game" then the more one of the productive people can get out of paying taxes, the better. It's time to starve the beast.

Yes, I say especially car thieves because I value them more. Same way you value your kids and probably have more hatred for a child molestor than a guy without kids might have.

Actually I have, although I can't say it was a "parasite" who did it.

Several years back I got my car broken into while parked in a lot off the Gateway Trail. Was I happy about it? No. Did I wish death or herpes upon the doer? No. I have insurance with a deductible I can live with. The loss was covered.

Remember last year when I took the digger after hitting the 4x4 some kids put across the road? I know who did it. A kid I work with goes to school with one of them. He heard about it through the grapevine. Did I pursue it? No. I lost no work as a result. I healed up just fine. I have insurance so I was out my $75 co-pay (yeah, only $75 for the ER visit and imaging...fucking BALLER insurance, eh?). I thought back to the stupid shit I did as a kid, like the time I knocked the neighbor girl off her bike with a bouncy ball and busted out a couple of her teeth. Her family showed kindness and compassion towards my stupidity. I guess I did the same.

This past spring I was walking back to my car after buying some chicken and malt liquor. I watched a some kid pull in and park next to me, get out in a hurry, and smack his car door into the side of my car, putting a nice ding in it (brand new car, less than two weeks old). I calmly walked over to him and asked him about it. At first he was just your typical punk kid, denying it and posturing all about. Instead of going nuts on him I took the time to talk to him and reason through it all. He quickly calmed down and apologized, saying he was in a hurry and didn't mean to do it. Sure, I could have went through the hassle of making an insurance claim or asking him to pay for it out of pocket. I decided it was not worth my time and he really did seem like a decent kid, and after talking to him for a bit he seemed to be just down on his luck. $50 of PDR later and all was good.

Yeah, I know. None of these involved some meth head parasite and I wasn't driving some six figure Mopar.

There was a time when I did let shit get to me, even shit that had little or nothing to do with me. It took me a long time, traveling over some very rocky roads, to realize I needed to change my mind-set before I literally destroyed myself. It took a lot of work to make the change, but I am in a much better place for it.

I guess maybe as time has gone on I have realized that part of the reason this world is going to hell in a hand basket is so many people are hell-bent on REVENGE and getting even instead of taking the time out to think that we are all human, we all screw up, and maybe, just maybe, the world would be a better place if more empathy and compassion were shown than hatred, anger, blood lust, and revenge.

I'm glad your opinion is to forgive and forget those that cause misfortune to others. My opinion is to eliminate them out of the gene pool, and possibly out of the general population. One does not accidentally break into someone else's house/car/property, people don't accidentally decide to take drugs, and stupid decisions are not an accident (well, they're more like common occurance in MN). I'm a firm believer for every action there should be an equal and opposite reaction. For a career criminal that will never provide anything useful to society and will forever be a drain on society, it would be better to get rid of them.

[SS1LE02]

So if I own 2 mustangs does that make me the 1% of the Elite?

No it makes you stupid.