The war machine is broken Führer

[Max Power]

Thank you!
The typical response is, "This farm has been in the family for generations, I'm not going to sell it!"
Most farmers could sell their farm an equipment and live comfortably for the rest of their lives without working again. Shit the farmer next to my parents house just bought a 700k tractor with tracks..... it must be soo fucking rough.

[Xtort]

I have taken multiple courses on economics, my previous statement was far from literal about making up my own theories. :idiot:

There have been plenty of government studies that have looked into the issue of farm subsidies and the repercussions that would result from pulling subsidies, I have seen figures from triple to five times the cost for your basic groceries. I was just at a conference 2 weeks ago that was directed toward the 2012 farm bill and where cuts are going to be made, the head of the RMA personally addressed these issues. Do you really think our government would spend billions per year on the farm bill if it wasn't necessary? Why do you think farmers are going broke every year, even when they are subsidized?

Do you realize ~78% of the farm bill is for food stamps and other cheap food programs for underprivileged people?

Do you really think they would basically eliminate all taxes for agricultural use if they didn't have to? When farmers have to spend hundreds of thousands or even millions per year to just put their crop in the ground I am pretty sure the government would take advantage of the taxes from those items if it was feasible.

What is your field of expertise? It clearly isn't farming or economics. You should read up on issues that you have no experience with before you make yourself look like a shill.

Your previous statement about economics shows you have no understanding of it. That was the whole point of me posting it. You make it sound as if it is voodoo magic and your understanding of the effects subsidies in the marketplace reflects that. If you really did take "several courses in economics," you should see about getting your money back.

You have yet to address any of the effects of the subsidies or other government intervention in the agricultural market. So far all I have heard is how expensive it is to plant crops. There are costs to doing business, deal with it. If it’s not the farmer needs to figure out how to make a profit honestly or we can buy our grain from overseas.

"I have seen several government studies" is not proof. Not only do you reference a source that has the most to gain from the subsidies, you don’t even give the data. What’s next, citing a study showing the benefits of agricultural subsidies done by Cargill, ADM, and the ethanol producers and not providing that data either? I highly doubt you even took the time to look up the word shill.

The very fact that you ask "Do you really think our government would spend billions per year on the farm bill if it wasn't necessary" show you have no idea how this works. At this point it is plainly obvious you have no idea what you’re talking about from an economic or political standpoint. There’s little wonder why you end with an attempt at discrediting someone based on their profession. That sounds a little like telling someone they can’t have an opinion on war if they have never served.

You also apparently confused me with those discussing the taxes involved. I’ll leave that to the others pursuing that avenue for now.

[93SVT]

I really don't want to get involved in the debate in this thread, but I really would like to nominate this for Stupidest Sentence of September.

I agree, I suspect net income and gross income are terms this chap doesn't grasp.


Anyways, Rant time


It's so simple, I can’t believe people even bother arguing, nobody is saying shaft the farmer, if he can't make a buck selling his product for X price he needs to raise his price in order to get by or GTFO, very simple. It's just SO much more efficient to have the consumer pay a higher price for a product than to have that consumer pay more taxes that are in turn funneled back to the producers to ensure the end product is affordable. When the money starts traveling thru the government agencies that collect and distribute it gets smaller, those people working for the government make a salary (likely a VERY high one) they also work in REAL buildings that cost REAL money, that will take away from the money getting to its end result. In theory you would get WAY more bang for your buck just paying the higher price at the store and not having is subsidized unless you’re a poor fgt, then it’s a win win as you pay no taxes and you get the cheap product.

The taxes in this country are out of control, for fucks sake we went to war with England over much much less. Our forefathers are turning in their graves, just because its automatically taken out of your check every week doesn't mean it's right and it doesn’t mean it never existed, that was REAL money that you made and it was taken from you before you ever got your hands on it.

I frankly think withholding tax dollars is the biggest bunch of shit ever, if everyone had to pay in a lump sum once a year they would have a fit, writing a check to uncle Sam for $40k might just be the wake up call this country needs, but it will never ever happen.

When I buy a car I have to pay 100% of its cost, I'm on the hook for 100% of my education costs, the money I owe on my mortgage starts at 100% of what I borrowed, all that but I only get to keep 65% of the money I make? WTF is that! Give me military protection to keep this country sovereign, give me necessary services like police and fire, give me some roads to drive on and let me keep the rest. If someone wants’ to give BlackZ's dad their money so he can sell his corn for cheaper than they are perfectly free to do so, but don't fucking take mine by force, yeah that’s right don’t pay taxes go to fucking jail . This country is made up of a bunch of pussies if you ask me, bending over and letting the government take a third of their income, unless of course you’re a poor brk fgt in which case you have zero income liability and use a metric shit ton of social services like EBT, WIC, Section 8 ect, MNCARE, medicaid ect.....

That’s enough rant for now


Now if they want to use my tax dollars to break into SFC’s town home, disrespect him and shoot his pitbull I’m cool with that, but make it a little check box like the non-game wildlife donation.

[Doodler]

I agree, I suspect net income and gross income are terms this chap doesn't grasp.


Anyways, Rant time


It's so simple, I can’t believe people even bother arguing, nobody is saying shaft the farmer, if he can't make a buck selling his product for X price he needs to raise his price in order to get by or GTFO, very simple. It's just SO much more efficient to have the consumer pay a higher price for a product than to have that consumer pay more taxes that are in turn funneled back to the producers to ensure the end product is affordable. When the money starts traveling thru the government agencies that collect and distribute it gets smaller, those people working for the government make a salary (likely a VERY high one) they also work in REAL buildings that cost REAL money, that will take away from the money getting to its end result. In theory you would get WAY more bang for your buck just paying the higher price at the store and not having is subsidized unless you’re a poor fgt, then it’s a win win as you pay no taxes and you get the cheap product.

The taxes in this country are out of control, for fucks sake we went to war with England over much much less. Our forefathers are turning in their graves, just because its automatically taken out of your check every week doesn't mean it's right and it doesn’t mean it never existed, that was REAL money that you made and it was taken from you before you ever got your hands on it.

I frankly think withholding tax dollars is the biggest bunch of shit ever, if everyone had to pay in a lump sum once a year they would have a fit, writing a check to uncle Sam for $40k might just be the wake up call this country needs, but it will never ever happen.

When I buy a car I have to pay 100% of its cost, I'm on the hook for 100% of my education costs, the money I owe on my mortgage starts at 100% of what I borrowed, all that but I only get to keep 65% of the money I make? WTF is that! Give me military protection to keep this country sovereign, give me necessary services like police and fire, give me some roads to drive on and let me keep the rest. If someone wants’ to give BlackZ's dad their money so he can sell his corn for cheaper than they are perfectly free to do so, but don't fucking take mine by force, yeah that’s right don’t pay taxes go to fucking jail . This country is made up of a bunch of pussies if you ask me, bending over and letting the government take a third of their income, unless of course you’re a poor brk fgt in which case you have zero income liability and use a metric shit ton of social services like EBT, WIC, Section 8 ect, MNCARE, medicaid ect.....

That’s enough rant for now


Now if they want to use my tax dollars to break into SFC’s town home, disrespect him and shoot his pitbull I’m cool with that, but make it a little check box like the non-game wildlife donation.

[Scotty07]

^^^^

[Max Power]

If subsidies were eliminated, and farmers adjusted their pricing to reflect the loss of income, fat people would be paying more.

Sounds like a plan to me!

[Scotty07]

PS... Hurry up and buy stock in Google. Black Z is about to give it a work out!!!

[93SVT]

If subsidies were eliminated, and farmers adjusted their pricing to reflect the loss of income, fat POOR people would be paying more.

Sounds like a plan to me!

fixed

[Fosters]

If subsidies were eliminated, and farmers adjusted their pricing to reflect the loss of income, fat people would be paying more.

Sounds like a plan to me!

[HerrKooled]

Damn niggle.

[STROOSS]

So this was originally a thread about FBI raids, then it somehow morphed into a cry fest about subsidies and taxes?

Looks more like people bitching just to bitch. Don't like the US then GTFO.

[93SVT]

So this was originally a thread about FBI raids, then it somehow morphed into a cry fest about subsidies and takes?

Looks more like people bitching just to bitch. Don't like the US then GTFO.

I hate when my takes go up, oh and STFU tardlick, this is TCS, get use to it

[STROOSS]

I hate when my takes go up, oh and STFU tardlick, this is TCS, get use to it

Tardlick Haven't heard that one.

What good is it doing to bitch about your taxes. By doing that do they go down? By bitching on TCS do the people in charge of setting taxes change them? I think not. So why waste all this time crying about it?

To quote Van Wilder, "Worrying is like a rocking chair, it keeps you busy for a while but doesn't get you anywhere."

Tardlick

[93SVT]

Tardlick Haven't heard that one.

What good is it doing to bitch about your taxes. By doing that do they go down? By bitching on TCS do the people in charge of setting taxes change them? I think not. So why waste all this time crying about it?

To quote Van Wilder, "Worrying is like a rocking chair, it keeps you busy for a while but doesn't get you anywhere."

Tardlick

Maybe I want to start a fucking revolution, have to start somewhere!

[STROOSS]

Maybe I want to start a fucking revolution, have to start somewhere!

Do it, but I don't think this forum will be the best place to start. Just saying.

Good Luck Twin Cities Mustang Militia.