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  • Zephyrefi
    Formerly K-ougar
    • Dec 2002
    • 3169

    5.0L Surging Idle

    I was setting the timing. First, I was having some trouble with that because I wasn't sure whether you're supposed to line up the mark with the top of the triangle thing with the round hole or the other pointer looking thing. Second, the mark looked like it was white out, which means it could be the right one, or it could not be. Anyway, I lined it up with the top of the angle on the triangle thing. The engine seemed to be running best here. I took it for a ride and the surging was gone. When i got home, i remembered I had not reinstalled the spout connector. I plugged it back in and the surging was back. WTF? I took a quick look for a vacuum leak, but did not find one.
  • xjfish
    siiiiiiick!
    • Jul 2006
    • 7357

    #2
    Take a good hard look for a vacuum leak so you can rule that out for sure.
    1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera

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    • RNSF
      F'n your sister
      • Mar 2008
      • 10022

      #3
      Carb cleaner spray that shit near every gasket and listen for the rpms to change, it will either bog or run smoother if you hit a leak.

      No more white smoke? Was just a lower gasket leak?
      LOL U MAD

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      • 5.0stang85
        Hater's be hatin'
        • Oct 2007
        • 7065

        #4
        Originally posted by K-ougar View Post
        I was setting the timing. First, I was having some trouble with that because I wasn't sure whether you're supposed to line up the mark with the top of the triangle thing with the round hole or the other pointer looking thing. Second, the mark looked like it was white out, which means it could be the right one, or it could not be. Anyway, I lined it up with the top of the angle on the triangle thing. The engine seemed to be running best here. I took it for a ride and the surging was gone. When i got home, i remembered I had not reinstalled the spout connector. I plugged it back in and the surging was back. WTF? I took a quick look for a vacuum leak, but did not find one.
        EFI motors base timing at TDC

        i time all my motors to the top of the timing pointer- not the little round hole
        71 Dodge Demon Green/Blk big turbo slant 6 in progress
        83 GT Red/Blk HCI 306/ 3550/ 4.30 8.8
        93 LX Reef Blue/ Grey stock bolts on's/ T5/ 3.55 8.8

        Cooter's Coatings
        Hudson WI
        1-612-867-0725- Don "Harvey" Harvey http://cooterscoating.com/

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        • Zephyrefi
          Formerly K-ougar
          • Dec 2002
          • 3169

          #5
          Well, something i did fixed the white smoke. i'm not sure which because I never ran it for long enough to clear the coolant out of the exhaust until after I'd done the lower intake gaskets and changed the oil for the 3rd time. It still smoked a little running cold yesterday, not nearly like before, but i'm going to call it good for the summer. I don't drive it that much anyway. Maybe this winter i'll do the head gaskets.

          Anyway, i'll look for vacuum leaks again, and try the carb cleaner. And the top of the thing with the round hole in it is where i put the timing, so I think i should be good there. If that mark is right, anyway.

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          • 5.0stang85
            Hater's be hatin'
            • Oct 2007
            • 7065

            #6
            did you put a new gasket on the idle air control valve? my old 87 would have a "floating" idle(below idle and like up to 1700) and i replaced the IAC and all was fixed

            you could try cleaning the IAC to...
            71 Dodge Demon Green/Blk big turbo slant 6 in progress
            83 GT Red/Blk HCI 306/ 3550/ 4.30 8.8
            93 LX Reef Blue/ Grey stock bolts on's/ T5/ 3.55 8.8

            Cooter's Coatings
            Hudson WI
            1-612-867-0725- Don "Harvey" Harvey http://cooterscoating.com/

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            • Notch
              Trunkback Moostang
              • May 2005
              • 23574

              #7
              Originally posted by 5.0stang85 View Post
              EFI motors base timing at TDC
              And carb engines base their timing off of hopes and dreams?

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              • 5.0stang85
                Hater's be hatin'
                • Oct 2007
                • 7065

                #8
                Originally posted by Notch View Post
                And carb engines base their timing off of hopes and dreams?
                what? my haynes manual says TDC- thats also what i had my 87 timed at and it run like shit at 10* BTDC

                10* BTDC for a carb is stock thats what i was told on FEP cause idk for sure what it was

                i have my 83 at TDC +/- 2*
                71 Dodge Demon Green/Blk big turbo slant 6 in progress
                83 GT Red/Blk HCI 306/ 3550/ 4.30 8.8
                93 LX Reef Blue/ Grey stock bolts on's/ T5/ 3.55 8.8

                Cooter's Coatings
                Hudson WI
                1-612-867-0725- Don "Harvey" Harvey http://cooterscoating.com/

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                • Notch
                  Trunkback Moostang
                  • May 2005
                  • 23574

                  #9

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                  • Macs Stang
                    Dale Jr.
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 18269

                    #10
                    O.C.R.

                    I make horse powerz

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                    • Zephyrefi
                      Formerly K-ougar
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 3169

                      #11
                      Originally posted by 5.0stang85 View Post
                      did you put a new gasket on the idle air control valve? my old 87 would have a "floating" idle(below idle and like up to 1700) and i replaced the IAC and all was fixed

                      you could try cleaning the IAC to...
                      The IAC did get a new gasket, actually. Maybe i'll try cleaning it.

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                      • Zephyrefi
                        Formerly K-ougar
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 3169

                        #12
                        Tried cleaning the IAC, and the gasket seems to be in good shape. I tried the Carb cleaner thing, but it runs so rough anyway it's hard to tell if the rpms jump or not.

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                        • TRDon
                          ......because trackcar
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 13153

                          #13
                          use propane and stop getting carb cleaner all over your engine. It does the same thing without the mess.
                          Originally posted by Hack
                          Why spend all that money just to get a worn out copy of a small block Ford? It's going to be in the junk yard for a reason. I understand you have a religion called LS motors and you have faith that the LS motors break the laws of physics and work better and cost less than anything else ever built. Plus they never wear out.

                          I disagree.

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                          • RNSF
                            F'n your sister
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 10022

                            #14
                            Originally posted by TRDon View Post
                            use propane and stop getting carb cleaner all over your engine. It does the same thing without the mess.
                            Yes it does, the only downside being that the propane can collect in low spots and ignite if there is an ignition source. Same goes for everything else, just be careful.
                            LOL U MAD

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