Paxton Novi 1000 or Vortech V2-SQ ?

[KrisR]

Any thoughts on the Novi1k vs the V2-SQ? Did a google search and not much turned up as far as a real comparison....



Thanks for any info,
Kris

[93SVT]

take the sand out of da ass and buy the Novi 2k, Im sure it will be one purchase you wont regret.. unless you dont ike going really really fast...

[RayK]

take the sand out of da ass and buy the Novi 2k, Im sure it will be one purchase you wont regret.. unless you dont ike going really really fast...

Where is the best source for Paxton? What about ProCharger. ProCharger seems to be hot for the dragstrip and the 3 core intercooler is real effective. 12.1 in the 1/4 on a gt with only catback and dragslicks is pretty attractive.

[Roast'em]

Where is the best source for Paxton? What about ProCharger. ProCharger seems to be hot for the dragstrip and the 3 core intercooler is real effective. 12.1 in the 1/4 on a gt with only catback and dragslicks is pretty attractive.

Is that what the ad says on the back of 5.0 magazine?

I think youre comparing two different levels of supercharger. The V2-SQ is just a quiet version of the S-trim which is way more powerful than the Novi1k. The vortech A-trim is more comparable in price and performance.

I'd go with the Novi. But I'd rather have none at all to tell you the truth.

[RayK]

Is that what the ad says on the back of 5.0 magazine?

I think youre comparing two different levels of supercharger. The V2-SQ is just a quiet version of the S-trim which is way more powerful than the Novi1k. The vortech A-trim is more comparable in price and performance.

I'd go with the Novi. But I'd rather have none at all to tell you the truth.

Well, check out this. ProChargers are on some fast car's.

http://www.procharger.com/

Check out this vid of a late model GT with and without a Procharger on it.

http://www.procharger.com/multimedia.shtml

Watch the GT vid on the bottom. 13.51 na to 12.10 sc'd.

Also, ProChargers Web site is pretty well done compared to most companies. Since the ProCharger doesn't generate as much heat, the air to air intercooler works well on the track.

[Roast'em]

All biased information. If you want to know the truth about a certain company in this hobby you have to tap the resources of major sites like the corral and see what the true racers and customers are running with their product.

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[-D]

I can get a good look at a T-bone steak by stickin my head up a bull's ass, so that's what I'm gonna do.

LOL

I can get a good look at a T-bone steak by stickin my head up a bull's ass, no i I can get a good look at a T-bone steak by stickin my head up a butchers ass, no wait, its gotta be your bull

[Darkness]

lol I love that movie. Tommy Boy

[carnutz]

I have done quite a bit of reserch on the blower topic, The Novi 2K is twice the blower that the Vortech S trim (v2 quiet or v1 loud, hte only differance). the Novi 2K moves like 3000 CFM and the S trim is like 1600 (dont remember exactly) Vortech makes some good quality blowers, as does ATI (ATI belt tensioner has had a muddy past tho)
The biggest thing is compare apples to apples when comparing blowers, same CFM etc.
The general consensis (all be it GM weighted) the Vortech and ATI are the most popular. The Novi 2k follows in popularity, power etc (all by its self, no reguards to the rest of paxtons line) There are quite a few (mustangs) that like and have good luck with the Novi 2000.....the GM croud seems to do better with the ATI or a vortech.
From what I have seen quality wise Vortech tops the heap and the Novi 2K and the ATI stuff runs neck and neck. ATI is popular because they do a lot with intercooling, thus making reliable power......the best of both worlds seems to be a Vortech with a custom front mount intercooler......just my .02

[Sweet35th]

12.1 in the 1/4 on a gt with only catback and dragslicks is pretty attractive.

How bout 12.06 @ 116.68mph on a stock 99GT with a Novi2k, sports man pros (basicaly a big drag radial, far from a slick), exhaust, stock gears and stock suspension.

Thats what my Novi2K GT when in cool weather with off the shelf tune and no intercooler, if you want to compair apples to apples.

Heres my feelings on it.

Paxton has the best total package. PERIOD. The braketry, ducting and fit and finish is better than all the big 3, (ATI, vortech, Paxton).

All the head units are great, 1k, 2k, V2SQ, D1, and P1SC

The V2 is real hit or miss. I have heard some that have been quiet as a powerdyne, and some that are 3 times louder than my Novi2k.

The V2-SQ is just a quiet version of the S-trim which is way more powerful than the Novi1k.

Thats a far from true statement as well. The Novi1k flows 850CFM versus 1000CFM for the standard V2 SQ. And 500hp vrs 650hp respectively as advertised by the makers. Not what I would call "Way" more powerfull. The Novi1k has a 3.50:1 step up ratio which I believe is steeper than the V SQ, (although I couldnt find that data on vortechs site). If so that would most likely be the cause of the power differance.

If you plan on just bolting on a supercharger and never going any further (buit bottem ends, ect. ect) then I would go with the Novi1 or V2-SQ kits. The Novi kit is better overall, with the V2 head unit capable of a 150 advertised HP in the end.

If you plan on making more power down the future, I would go Novi2k or D1 procharger kit.

I have installed pretty much all of the kits on various cars, and I still feel that the Novi2k is the best out there.

Much thicker brakets, better plumping.

For compairison the D1SC versus Novi2k

Novi2K
-Max CFM: 1700cfm
-Max Power: 980hp
-Inlet diameter: 3.5in

D1SC
-Max CFM: 1400cfm
-Max Power: 925
-Inlet diameter: 3.0in

As you can see either of these blowers will make gobs of power, and unless you go big $$$ and all out racing, you will simply never outgrow them.

Final Thoughts::

This is a purchase you should only ever have to make once. Dont have buyers remorse. Go big or go home.

[wiplash]

Kris, I know you asked about the Vortech and Novi, but for the cost of those kits you can have an intercooled P1SC kit. Contact Superchargers4less, there P1SCkit goes for $3150. To answer your question though, Paxton over Vortech.
The best advice on here was from Roast 'Em; do research on the Corral, and don't look for the comparison topics either since that justc turns into an ego trip. Search for topics on a specific blower at a time and read through everything, you'll probably find that ATI's are making more power, Paxton's are almost flawless when it comes to reliability, and Vortech's, although reliable, are at the bottom for power production. There are exceptions to all of these, but that's what I've seen. I don't care for Vortech just because there on so many cars
Casey, it's impossible to compare your time to the time in the vid, too many variables, temps being one of the which we know can make a 1/2 second or more difference in times, besides I can find a handful of people that have ran in the mid 11's with similar mods/tires with the D1SC. Here's some more BIASED info.
Power output of both the D1 and IC'ed N2k kits are identical, pound for pound they both make virtually the same hosepower and IC outlet temps. For the most part the smaller kits are close, but Vortech seems to be on the bottom. You're going to spend a few hundred more on the Novi kit, but it may be worth it simply because they seem more reliable.
The bracket you'll get with a P1SC or D1SC will be 1/2" thick, needless to say it doesn't budge and anything more would be a waste of weight. The D1 also as a 3.5" inlet i.d. You'll never spin or be ABLE to spin either a D1 or Novi 2k enough for the total cfm to matter, same goes for the smaller kits, you'll get belt slip before it matters.. The Procharger's come with a 4.1:1 internal step-up, the best out there, meaning you can run a larger pulley to achieve the boost you need and get less belt slip. Plumbing in the ATI kit couldn't be any better, it took me 45 mn's to do. You can also choose the boost level you want without giving up the warranty. Complaints about Procharger so far, there "Pro-Flo" surge valve sucks, but so does the stock Paxton and Vortech bypass valve, and there instructions suck like everybody elses. I also feel they could have used sheetmetal end tanks for the intercooler which would have saved a few pounds off the front of the car and looked better too.

I agree with Casey though, gotta go big, it just makes everything easier (like getting to the power you want once you build a strong shortblock, and slightly cooler temps). The D1 upgrade is $300, worth it for me knowing I'll never outgrow it.

[Sweet35th]

Casey, it's impossible to compare your time to the time in the vid, too many variables

Exactly why I posted it. Its silling to use ETs for selling a product. They say that that "Stock" GT also whent 13.5 before the supercharger. So there is somthing else they are not saying.

I think between the D1 and Novi2k, it comes down to personal preferance, if even that. I wasnt trying to down play the D1, just posting each websites specs on the blowers.

[GrnPro-Stang]

But with the procharger there are some things to consider: The D1 with your year car comes with bigger injectors, and you have to send your computer in to get reprogramed. And with all superchargers you have to consider air, fuel and exhaust, most units, replacment of the mass air sensor is a must, Pro-M, C&L, ect which you have to replace, then Vortech and Novi use a draw thru meter and an intercooled ATI needs a blow thru meter. most units come with a upgraded fuel pump and an FMU for pressure, and the exhaust should be replaced with a better flowing unit then stock. And if your looking for major HP with boost you also have to look at your engine to see if it can take it, and with a Modular motor, mod's are a bit expensive compared to the 5.0. Also it's always smart to install a boost and fuel pressure gage to see whats happening, because one of the big problems with S/C a car is detonation, which can destroy an engine fast. with a 6 psi blower detonation isn't a problem, anything above 6 psi and you can have problems with detonation.

[Dave90GT]

I would check out Superchargers4less.com if you want good deals on S/C kits.

Dave

[wiplash]

But with the procharger there are some things to consider: The D1 with your year car comes with bigger injectors, and you have to send your computer in to get reprogramed. And with all superchargers you have to consider air, fuel and exhaust, most units, replacment of the mass air sensor is a must, Pro-M, C&L, ect which you have to replace, then Vortech and Novi use a draw thru meter and an intercooled ATI needs a blow thru meter. most units come with a upgraded fuel pump and an FMU for pressure, and the exhaust should be replaced with a better flowing unit then stock. And if your looking for major HP with boost you also have to look at your engine to see if it can take it, and with a Modular motor, mod's are a bit expensive compared to the 5.0. Also it's always smart to install a boost and fuel pressure gage to see whats happening, because one of the big problems with S/C a car is detonation, which can destroy an engine fast. with a 6 psi blower detonation isn't a problem, anything above 6 psi and you can have problems with detonation.

It is recommended that bigger injectors be used with the D1, but you get them on your own, as with any other kit it would be better to have bigger injectors anyway, you don't send in your computer, they send a chip that is included in the kit. The P1SC uses the stock meter and injectors. The 99+ cars are returnless so no FMU's are needed or included.
A litle off topic but; the mod motors may be more expensive for bolt-ons, but to make close to 400rwhp in a 5.0 like you will with a 4.6PI motor, you'd need heads and intake at least so your a good $1500 ahead already with the 4.6. Not to mention a strong 4.6 short block (one that can handle 500+rwhp) is cheaper to build than a 5.0, and if you use a Cobra block it'd be lighter as well.