brake upgrade question

**Cobra-R** · 01-24-2003, 11:40 PM

Go to the PBR Cobra setup minumum. As you get faster, you will be glad you did.
I have Brembo's 00R kit on my 95R and that is even marginal, but is worlds better the even the PBR calipers. Mustangs are heavy cars, do it right the first time.

Brian

**gotboost** · 01-25-2003, 09:38 AM

Yes It would be a good idea to upgrade to the sn95 stuff first. that gets you into five lugs. As for the 11in and 10in rotors they will be fine for autocross. You need the sn95 spindle if you want to upgrade to 13in cobra, brembo or bear rotors anyway. Check out ebay I have seen some vary good deals on take off parts. I'll bet that you could get all of the parts for $300 TO $400.

Mike

**Cobra-R** · 01-25-2003, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by gotboost
Yes It would be a good idea to upgrade to the sn95 stuff first. that gets you into five lugs. As for the 11in and 10in rotors they will be fine for autocross. You need the sn95 spindle if you want to upgrade to 13in cobra, brembo or bear rotors anyway. Check out ebay I have seen some vary good deals on take off parts. I'll bet that you could get all of the parts for $300 TO $400.

Mike

Mike,
He also mentioned Road America, I sure would hate to be on the track with a person running 11" brakes on a mustang. :eek:
In 80-85 F weather, I get about 2-3 hard laps with the 13" Brembo setup before they start fading.
If you have never run Road America, half the corners are like turn three at Brainard, high speed into a slow corner.

Brian

**93SVT** · 01-25-2003, 11:32 AM

on a similar but slightly diffrent note, how do my cobras stock brakes stack up agenst the newer ones, also because I like my stock rims and havent seen any 5 lug knock off's of 93 cobra rims, what could I do to upgrade brakes and keep 4 lug? is there anyway yuou could buy really good calipers that would bolt up to both 4 and 5 lug setups, incase I ever decided to go to 5 lug?

**gotboost** · 01-25-2003, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by Cobra-R
Mike,
He also mentioned Road America, I sure would hate to be on the track with a person running 11" brakes on a mustang. :eek:
In 80-85 F weather, I get about 2-3 hard laps with the 13" Brembo setup before they start fading.
If you have never run Road America, half the corners are like turn three at Brainard, high speed into a slow corner.

Brian

I beleave I said (fine for autocross). and just to take us all back in time, in the 80's they where road racing with 11" brakes and in the 60's too. Sure bigger is better but we all have a budget or have you forgot that some people may have a limited one

Mike

**Cobra-R** · 01-25-2003, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by gotboost
I beleave I said (fine for autocross). and just to take us all back in time, in the 80's they where road racing with 11" brakes and in the 60's too. Sure bigger is better but we all have a budget or have you forgot that some people may have a limited one

Mike

Your right, but does it make sense to spend money twice to get good brakes if he gets into tracking more?? Brakes are not an area to skimp money, or is it cheaper to hit a wall and buy another car when the brakes fail or overheat???
The PBR setup that comes stock on the Cobra's are available for decent prices and are very capable systems. Quality replacement rotors for the 13" systems are at least as cheap if not cheaper, same thing for high quality pads.
Don't know what your comment was suppose to mean, but sometimes there is more to it than just the initial cost.

Brian

ps They also used biased ply tires in the 60's and 70's, are you recommending he use those also??

**mnstang** · 01-25-2003, 10:32 PM

ok guys, i've done a little checking around.... see the thing is, AFS (wheel company) used to sell 5 lug wheels specifically for the conversion, but i talked to the guy at afs today, and those wheels are discontinued.... DOH! and i really want cobra R wheels. so i have seen a kit on ebay before i posted this thread, it's a sn95 gt brake system basically... so i have that option that i could get for probably a few hundred bucks... or... i could just get a 4 lug rear disc conversion. i read an article last night that said just doing a rear disc conversion on their test fox decreased 60-0 stopping distance from 160 ft to 130 ft!!!! i thought that was pretty big! and that kit comes with a new master cylinder too, and i could stay 4 lug for easy wheel choices. that kit is 700 bucks new. and i think the ford racing conversion from ford racing is 1600 bucks. so anyway, i want to know if i got the rear disc conversion, if there would be anything i could do to the front setup to help?? i'm not really interested in total stopping power, i'm more interested in durability against fading etc. could i just get some decent rotors, and put some race pads in when i get to the track?
the main problem i have with the sn95 kits is, the wheel options for a 5 lug fox??? because you need a different backspacing/offset than a sn95 car.
so if you guys have solutions, or more info to any of this, thanks.
ps- keep in mind this car is never going to be a track whore, on the strip OR on the open/autocross track.

**Cobra-R** · 01-25-2003, 11:06 PM

http://www.gefracing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=GRPP&Product_Code=M2320F-M2400C&Category_Code=BULLITT

http://www.gefracing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=GRPP&Product_Code=M2320R-F4ZZ2C026B&Category_Code=BULLITT

Don't know a thing about 5 lug conversions, so I can't help you out there, but can you get the needed parts from a salvage yard?
You don't need a track only car to justify quality brakes, the first thing I did to any of my cars was a brake upgrade. For auto-X I wouldn't worry about it, for the big tracks like RA, brakes are the main thing between you and a wall.

Brian

PS: I gained even more respect for a brakes after whitnessing a guy loose brakes at turn 5 in sept, it cost him a new engine. (Long Story)

**gotboost** · 01-25-2003, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by Cobra-R
Your right, but does it make sense to spend money twice to get good brakes if he gets into tracking more?? Brakes are not an area to skimp money, or is it cheaper to hit a wall and buy another car when the brakes fail or overheat???
The PBR setup that comes stock on the Cobra's are available for decent prices and are very capable systems. Quality replacement rotors for the 13" systems are at least as cheap if not cheaper, same thing for high quality pads.
Don't know what your comment was suppose to mean, but sometimes there is more to it than just the initial cost.

Brian

ps They also used biased ply tires in the 60's and 70's, are you recommending he use those also??

Yep geat kit, it is like mine. But you have overlooked a few things.
Ford motorsports kit 1800.00 MSRP
Wheel 17x9 925.00 ballpark
tires 275-40-17 600.00 Min.
Total 3325.00

Or

take-off SN95 stuff 300.00-400.00 on ebay
used wheels & tire 1200.00 high ball park
total 1500.00 to 1700.00

Now go autocross for a year have fun and learn how to drive the thing better.

Now upgrade for the next year
Brembo oem 13"rotor 124.00 for the set from the tire rack
used PBR calipers 150.00 ballpark
new tires 600.00 min
misc. 250.00 ballpark
Total 1075.00

Now go autocross and do some opentrack and if your budget allows it buy more tires cause they don't last that
long.

This is just one way you can get started and not brake the bank. Yes I have left out some things. such as entry fees.and ware & tare and what not.

And as long as you don't drive over your head you won't crash.
I have seen it and done it.

One more thing, none of this has to be done for autocross.

**mnstang** · 01-26-2003, 12:25 AM

yeah, i'm not sure what to do with the brake thing still... i think i'll be ok for autocross. and then the league is having these training days at the bigger open track course, where you pay only like 100 bucks, and have an instructor ride in your car. I guess you get like 50 laps in!! that would be awesome. I wouldn't ever get too serious with it since it sounds like the class i'd get put in will be WAY too fast for me since i have engine mods. but i have no chassis mods yet, so i'd be constantly getting passed up, but i still think it would be tons of fun.

**Cobra-R** · 01-26-2003, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by gotboost
Yep geat kit, it is like mine. But you have overlooked a few things.
Ford motorsports kit 1800.00 MSRP
Wheel 17x9 925.00 ballpark
tires 275-40-17 600.00 Min.
Total 3325.00

http://www.gefracing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=GRPP&Product_Code=M1007R50&Category_Code=WHEELS

$3325 - $365 = $2960

Or

take-off SN95 stuff 300.00-400.00 on ebay
used wheels & tire 1200.00 high ball park
total 1500.00 to 1700.00

Now go autocross for a year have fun and learn how to drive the thing better.

Now upgrade for the next year
Brembo oem 13"rotor 124.00 for the set from the tire rack
used PBR calipers 150.00 ballpark
new tires 600.00 min
misc. 250.00 ballpark
Total 1075.00

Total $2575-2775

savings of $185 to $385 (assuming you arent paying someone to do the work twice for you) and you are dealing with all new parts, not to mention if the take off parts from Ebay need new pads, or rotors. Couldn't a person buy used parts for the hub upgrade also? Again, I don't know much about converting 4 lug to 5 lug, thus the reason I ask.

**gotboost** · 01-26-2003, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by Cobra-R

http://www.gefracing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=GRPP&Product_Code=M1007R50&Category_Code=WHEELS

$3325 - $365 = $2960

Total $2575-2775

savings of $185 to $385 (assuming you arent paying someone to do the work twice for you) and you are dealing with all new parts, not to mention if the take off parts from Ebay need new pads, or rotors. Couldn't a person buy used parts for the hub upgrade also? Again, I don't know much about converting 4 lug to 5 lug, thus the reason I ask. [/B]

The take off part I'm speaking of are for the convertion. I'm also assuming that the car owner does the work because thats what I do. When I started doing this I did things in stages and I still do, that way I will have more $ for racing . What this really comes down to is I want to see more of these guy come out to these things and I think you do too. So lets get these guy out there.

For Sale: 17x9 AKC LOGIC wheels with 275-40 tires (80 % tread)
1000.00 obo

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