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  • kineda
    Fuck your Subaru
    • Apr 2004
    • 29884

    Florida Hospital Deports Illegal Immigrant Patient



    Fla. hospital defends secretly deporting patient

    STUART, Fla. – All sides agree on one thing in the case of a South Florida hospital that secretly repatriated a seriously brain injured patient back to Guatemala.

    During the early hours of a steamy July 2003 morning, Martin Memorial Medical Center chartered a private plane and sent Luis Jimenez back to the Central American country without telling his relatives in the U.S. or Guatemala — even as his cousin and legal guardian, Montejo Gaspar, frantically sought to stop the move.

    There, things get murky. Gaspar is suing the hospital for essentially deporting Jimenez, who was an illegal immigrant. The hospital, which spent more than $1.5 million on his care over three years, says Jimenez wanted to go home.

    Underlying the dispute is the broader question of what do Americans expect a hospital to do with a patient who requires long-term care, is unable to pay and doesn't qualify for federal or state aid because of his immigration status. Health care and immigration experts across the country are watching the case, which could set precedent in Florida and possibly beyond. Lawyers for Jimenez said this appears to be the first time a lawsuit has been filed in such a case.

    In closing arguments Thursday, a lawyer for Gaspar and Jimenez said the hospital wanted to send Jimenez back to Guatemala to halt what would have been a long and expensive appeals process.

    "The plan was designed once and for all to stop the meter from running, to stop the expenses ... to stop the case from going all the way up to the Supreme Court — because Luis Jimenez was gone," attorney Jack Hill told a packed courtroom in the sleepy South Florida town of Stuart, just north of the exclusive community of Palm Beach.

    Scott Michaud, the lawyer for the hospital, countered that Martin Memorial was in an impossible situation, but ultimately a judge — not the hospital — decided that it was acceptable to send Jimenez back to Guatemala. Michaud said the hospital saved Jimenez's life and provided free care for him for three years, only to be unfairly hit with a lawsuit.

    "Paging Alice in Wonderland where up is down and down is up and no good deed goes unpunished," he exclaimed Thursday.

    The case also raises the question of whether a hospital and a state court should be deciding whether to deport someone — a power long held by the federal government.

    "Regardless of the decision, it will heighten the awareness of hospitals nationwide. The next time they debate shipping a patient overseas, they're going to have to do their homework because it's going to leave them open to a lot of legal challenges and questions," said Steve Larson, an assistant dean at the University of Pennsylvania's School of Medicine and medical director of a nonprofit clinic for Latino immigrants.

    But Linda Quick, president of the South Florida Hospital & Healthcare Association, says hospitals may become even more wary about providing extended care to uninsured immigrants.

    Hospitals are already struggling under the staggering costs of treating the nation's roughly 47 million uninsured. Illegal immigrants make up an estimated 15 percent of this group, according to the Pew Hispanic Center.

    "I think they'll do what's required according to physician orders," she said, "but I think they will be more pro-active and aggressive in finding a discharge plan."

    Like millions of others, Jimenez, now 37, came the U.S to work as a day laborer, sending money home to his wife and small children. In 2000, a drunk driver crashed into a van he was riding in, leaving the robust soccer player a paraplegic. For more than a year he lingered in a vegetative state before he began to recuperate, eventually reaching a fourth grade level in cognitive ability. The hospital sent him to a long-term care facility for a brief stint, but eventually he was returned to the hospital for care.

    Because Jimenez has diminished capacity to make decisions, Gaspar was named as his legal guardian. Initially he supported Jimenez's return to Guatemala, but after a court-appointed attorney for Jimenez questioned whether any hospital there could take him, Gaspar grew concerned.

    Then, armed with a vague letter from the Guatemalan minister of health stating the poverty-ridden country could care for Jimenez, the hospital got a county judge to OK the move.

    While Gaspar sought an emergency order to stop the move so he could appeal the decision, the hospital put Jimenez on a $30,000 charter flight home.

    Gaspar eventually won his appeal, with the court ruling a state judge doesn't have the power to decide immigration cases. By then, it was too late. Jimenez had been released from the Guatemalan hospital and was living with his 73-year-old mother in a one-room home in the mountainous state of Huehuetenango — a steep hike from the village center and 12 hours from the Guatemalan capital.

    Jimenez's lawsuit seeks nearly $1 million to cover the estimated lifetime costs of his care in Guatemala, as well as damages for the hospital's alleged "false imprisonment" of his cousin.

    A South Florida Roman Catholic priest described a visit to Jimenez in an e-mail to The Associated Press: "He was clean, glad of the visit and occasionally made apparently good sense comments," wrote the Rev. Frank O'Laughlin. "It seemed that he was cooperating with his caregiver and would survive, I guessed, until his first pneumonia."

    O'Laughlin said he wasn't sure that Jimenez should be returned to "medical care in an alien Florida institution."

    But he said the lawsuit is important because hospitals should not be allowed to deport people.

    He and Larson also say a country that relies on cheap immigrant labor for everything from agriculture, to clothing to construction, should factor in the cost of catastrophic injuries to those providing these essential services — whether it means requiring employers to offer coverage for day laborers or ensuring public and nonprofit hospitals can care for them.

    Carla Luggiero, a senior associate director for American Hospital Association, said that cases such as Jimenez's are rare. Most of the time, hospitals are able to work with the families to find acceptable care.

    And most of the time families don't have pro bono lawyers working for them as Jimenez does.

    But she also warned the issue is serious, and it is one Congress has yet to address in its health care reform proposals.

    "There is absolutely no discussion about it," Luggiero said. And yet, hospitals that receive Medicare reimbursements are required to provide emergency care to all patients and must provide an acceptable discharge plan once the patient is stabilized.

    "It's a complicated, huge issue. Without repatriation, the issue of undocumented immigrants is already a hand grenade and so is health care," Larson said. "So together, you're really walking a tightrope."
    Originally posted by LTDpower
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  • Fosters
    Typical white person
    • Sep 2006
    • 16014

    #2
    Well, Obambi is gonna change all that and give him healthcare... meanwhile we'll be paying for more deadbeat fucks to stay alive longer and be registered to vote by Acorn.
    Originally posted by punch
    SFC is a bag of stupid.
    Capitalization is the difference between helping your uncle Jack off a horse & helping your uncle jack off a horse.

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    • kineda
      Fuck your Subaru
      • Apr 2004
      • 29884

      #3
      Originally posted by Fosters View Post
      Well, Obambi is gonna change all that and give him healthcare... meanwhile we'll be paying for more deadbeat fucks to stay alive longer and be registered to vote by Acorn.
      But she also warned the issue is serious, and it is one Congress has yet to address in its health care reform proposals.

      "There is absolutely no discussion about it," Luggiero said. And yet, hospitals that receive Medicare reimbursements are required to provide emergency care to all patients and must provide an acceptable discharge plan once the patient is stabilized.
      Originally posted by LTDpower
      You are not Philip to me, you are customer #88306-B to me.
      Originally posted by ProRauder
      I submit that more I.T. people have disposable income to waste on making cars go fast

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      • SmithEvo
        Poppin' VTAK yo!
        • Nov 2004
        • 25468

        #4
        Good, now just do that to the rest of them.
        Not at the table, Carlos.

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        • RyanM
          TCS Homer
          • Jun 2005
          • 34470

          #5
          Amen

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          • SFC
            I know drama
            • Jun 2004
            • 24976

            #6
            Originally posted by kineda View Post
            What, you expect him to actually pay attention to what is being proposed rather than just spout off like a moron?

            I HEARD OBAMA WANTS TO FLY CHINESE TO AMERICA TO GIVE THEM HEALTHCARE!!11
            You stay classy Chet Beireis
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            • Fosters
              Typical white person
              • Sep 2006
              • 16014

              #7
              Originally posted by SFC View Post
              What, you expect him to actually pay attention to what is being proposed rather than just spout off like a moron?

              I HEARD OBAMA WANTS TO FLY CHINESE TO AMERICA TO GIVE THEM HEALTHCARE!!11

              Yet the boy wonder you fucking helped put in office keeps quoting a number of people without insurance that includes illegal immigrants in it... Is that just for effect - one of those "transparency" tactics? Care to explain that one?

              And it couldn't possibly be that the article is in fact wrong, I'm sure the chick went ahead and read all 390002387834 pages of the bill, before congress even did...



              So how about that spouting off before knowing what the fuck you're talking about, moron?
              Originally posted by punch
              SFC is a bag of stupid.
              Capitalization is the difference between helping your uncle Jack off a horse & helping your uncle jack off a horse.

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              • SFC
                I know drama
                • Jun 2004
                • 24976

                #8
                Originally posted by Fosters View Post
                Yet the boy wonder you fucking helped put in office keeps quoting a number of people without insurance that includes illegal immigrants in it... Is that just for effect - one of those "transparency" tactics? Care to explain that one?

                And it couldn't possibly be that the article is in fact wrong, I'm sure the chick went ahead and read all 390002387834 pages of the bill, before congress even did...



                So how about that spouting off before knowing what the fuck you're talking about, moron?

                Hey look at that, it says right in your own link they won't cover illegals. I wasn't aware it was now the hospitals job to police who is or is not an illegal immigrant, which is what the Heller amendment wanted done.

                Instead of the republicans being a bunch of giant gaping vagina's, maybe they should've done something about illegal immigration years ago when they had the chance. You know, something other than pretend to build a giant fucking wall that was never completed, and discuss giving them all amnesty. This whole passive aggressive shit they're pulling now is just a pathetic attempt at saving face while keeping their immigrant votes.

                Nice "unbiased" source once again though!
                You stay classy Chet Beireis
                Originally posted by Paul Revere
                I can't wait for that ****** to take all the credit


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                • kineda
                  Fuck your Subaru
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 29884

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SFC View Post
                  Hey look at that, it says right in your own link they won't cover illegals. I wasn't aware it was now the hospitals job to police who is or is not an illegal immigrant, which is what the Heller amendment wanted done.

                  Instead of the republicans being a bunch of giant gaping vagina's, maybe they should've done something about illegal immigration years ago when they had the chance. You know, something other than pretend to build a giant fucking wall that was never completed, and discuss giving them all amnesty. This whole passive aggressive shit they're pulling now is just a pathetic attempt at saving face while keeping their immigrant votes.

                  Nice "unbiased" source once again though!

                  you would think that hospitals are under obligation to provide critical care and stablize patients regardless of insurance or citizenship, but i am unclear on why as soon as they are stable they dont call INS in to wheel them into the paddywagon for a trip back over the fence?
                  Originally posted by LTDpower
                  You are not Philip to me, you are customer #88306-B to me.
                  Originally posted by ProRauder
                  I submit that more I.T. people have disposable income to waste on making cars go fast

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                  • Fosters
                    Typical white person
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 16014

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SFC View Post
                    Hey look at that, it says right in your own link they won't cover illegals. I wasn't aware it was now the hospitals job to police who is or is not an illegal immigrant, which is what the Heller amendment wanted done.

                    Instead of the republicans being a bunch of giant gaping vagina's, maybe they should've done something about illegal immigration years ago when they had the chance. You know, something other than pretend to build a giant fucking wall that was never completed, and discuss giving them all amnesty.

                    Nice "unbiased" source once again though!
                    Again, you prove that you can't comprehend worth a shit. Did you happen to miss the part where the hospitals are NOT allowed to check and see if someone is illegal or not? If they were not covered, and if indeed the idea was to keep the costs down, why not leave it up to the hospitals to check?

                    How convenient of you to have omitted that. Let's see what your boy wonder is gonna do about illegals; other than blaming it on Bush for the next 4-8 years that is...

                    Kind of odd you'd be arguing that the republicans didn't do anything about illegals right after I post a link where they get cockblocked by democrats when TRYING to do something about illegals...
                    Originally posted by punch
                    SFC is a bag of stupid.
                    Capitalization is the difference between helping your uncle Jack off a horse & helping your uncle jack off a horse.

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                    • SFC
                      I know drama
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 24976

                      #11
                      Originally posted by kineda View Post
                      you would think that hospitals are under obligation to provide critical care and stablize patients regardless of insurance or citizenship, but i am unclear on why as soon as they are stable they dont call INS in to wheel them into the paddywagon for a trip back over the fence?

                      Because they don't want to be in the business of reporting illegals. Just opens the up to more lawsuits. I'm sure the Hippocratic oath is a bit at odds with it as well.
                      You stay classy Chet Beireis
                      Originally posted by Paul Revere
                      I can't wait for that ****** to take all the credit


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                      • SFC
                        I know drama
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 24976

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Fosters View Post
                        Again, you prove that you can't comprehend worth a shit. Did you happen to miss the part where the hospitals are NOT allowed to check and see if someone is illegal or not? If they were not covered, and if indeed the idea was to keep the costs down, why not leave it up to the hospitals to check?
                        Did you miss the part where hospitals are required to provide emergency care whether they're illegal or not? "Allowing" read "FORCING" them to verify citizenship simply turns them into a wing of the INS. Something I'm sure nurses and doctors across the country are just jumping for joy waiting to be a part of. I can tell you have a lot of friends in the medical field



                        How convenient of you to have omitted that. Let's see what your boy wonder is gonna do about illegals; other than blaming it on Bush for the next 4-8 years that is...
                        To have omitted what?
                        You stay classy Chet Beireis
                        Originally posted by Paul Revere
                        I can't wait for that ****** to take all the credit


                        PITBULLS KILL KIDS!!!
                        ROTTWEILERS EAT BABIES!!
                        Celtic Mafia
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                        • SmithEvo
                          Poppin' VTAK yo!
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 25468

                          #13
                          I have no problem calling INS on the illegals I deal with. It's funny, they speak english just fine until I tell them I'm contacting INS, and then they magically forget their language skills.
                          Not at the table, Carlos.

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                          • kineda
                            Fuck your Subaru
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 29884

                            #14
                            Originally posted by SFC View Post
                            Because they don't want to be in the business of reporting illegals. Just opens the up to more lawsuits. I'm sure the Hippocratic oath is a bit at odds with it as well.
                            but as far as hippocratic oath goes they are providing care and stablizing them. they should just have INS staff in the registration/ER areas
                            Originally posted by LTDpower
                            You are not Philip to me, you are customer #88306-B to me.
                            Originally posted by ProRauder
                            I submit that more I.T. people have disposable income to waste on making cars go fast

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                            • Outrun
                              Answer The Call
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 20755

                              #15
                              Originally posted by SmithEvo View Post
                              I have no problem calling INS on the illegals I deal with. It's funny, they speak english just fine until I tell them I'm contacting INS, and then they magically forget their language skills.
                              why in the fuck would an illegal dirty wetback spic bastard want to live in South Fucking Dakota?

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