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  • CorinthiansBlackGT
    TCS Homer
    • Mar 2004
    • 4235

    Ok, I surrender! Hah! Just kidding!! Durka durka...

    A former Guantanamo Bay inmate is leading the fight against U.S. Marines in the Helmand province of Afghanistan, a senior U.S. defense official confirmed to FOX News on Tuesday.

    Mullah Zakir, also known as Abdullah Ghulam Rasoul, surrendered in Mazar-e-Sharif in Northern Afghanistan in 2001, and was transferred to Gitmo in 2006. He was released in late 2007 to Afghan custody.

    Now as the United States is pushing ahead with the massive Operation Khanjar in the southern province of Afghanistan, Zakir is coordinating the Taliban fighters. Some 4,000 U.S. Marines and hundreds of Afghan forces have faced some resistance as they sweep across the province, reclaiming control of districts where Zakir and his comrades were running a shadow government.

    Zakir was released from Afghan custody around 2008, according to the New York Post. He re-established connections with high-level Taliban leaders in Afghanistan and Pakistan after his second release.

    Taliban chief Mullah Omar appointed Zakir in mid-2008 as senior military commander, according to the newspaper.

    Zakir quickly became a charismatic leader, helping establish an "accountability commission" to track spending and monitor activities of Taliban leaders in the districts where they held power and were running a shadow government, according to the Post.

    Explaining why Zakir was released from Gitmo, the defense official said, "We were under incredible pressure from the world to release detainees at Gitmo. You just don't know what people are going to do.

    "He was no worse than anyone else being held at Gunatanamo Bay," the official added. "He was not going to be tried for war crimes so we decided to release him. Either he was not thought to have committed a crime or we didn't have enough evidence to prosecute him."

    The defense official shifted some blame for Zakir's activities to Afghanistan. "The country which agreed to take him promised to take steps to mitigate the threat he posed."

    Afghanistan's fledgling security agencies have been having trouble keeping the country's jails secure.

    Pul-e-Charkhi prison, the country's major high-security prison that houses hundreds of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters, has seen jailbreaks and even insurrections by inmates. Still, releases of Taliban and Al Qaeda inmates are conducted in coordination with the United States.





    Uh... Who the hell thinks its a good idea to release these clowns? Oh wait..

    What are we just bored? We're kicking their asses so much that we have to release their captured so we have someone to fight? Seriously what the hell was the logic behind this crap. Who ever was pressuring the Bush administration to release this guy should RESIGN immediately... I wonder who exaclty was behind the close gitmo movement.....

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  • GarrettGTX
    TCS Homer
    • Dec 2002
    • 3648

    #2
    Originally posted by CorinthiansBlackGT View Post
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...fight-helmand/


    Uh... Who the hell thinks its a good idea to release these clowns? Oh wait..

    What are we just bored? We're kicking their asses so much that we have to release their captured so we have someone to fight? Seriously what the hell was the logic behind this crap. Who ever was pressuring the Bush administration to release this guy should RESIGN immediately... I wonder who exaclty was behind the close gitmo movement.....
    Yeah smooth move releasing the rest of them... idiotic liberals... they want fair treatment for everyone.. "well its not their fault they blew up the twin towers... the planes caused the real damage."
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    • crzy88lx
      I Rock Catholic Girls
      • May 2005
      • 3561

      #3
      wow, im glad we wasted all those tax dollars shipping them to gitmo and then back for them to do the same shit.

      how about this:

      dont take prisoners = problems solved.

      kill all those fucks.
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      • SFC
        I know drama
        • Jun 2004
        • 24976

        #4
        Freedom isn't free. Either you have morals or you don't. Sad to see so many Americans are such cowards.

        If we don't have the evidence to try them in a court of law, they go free. That's how this country works and I hope will continue to work for my lifetime.

        You want to talk about "slippery slope", removing basic human rights from someone deemed an "enemy combatant" is a surefire way to a military state.

        How about a follow up for all the innocent people that were held without accusation or trial? You know, the ones who had their lives ruined because they had a neighbor who wanted their goats, and so proclaimed them Al Qaeda.
        You stay classy Chet Beireis
        Originally posted by Paul Revere
        I can't wait for that ****** to take all the credit


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        • CorinthiansBlackGT
          TCS Homer
          • Mar 2004
          • 4235

          #5
          Originally posted by SFC View Post
          Freedom isn't free. Either you have morals or you don't. Sad to see so many Americans are such cowards.

          If we don't have the evidence to try them in a court of law, they go free. That's how this country works and I hope will continue to work for my lifetime.

          You want to talk about "slippery slope", removing basic human rights from someone deemed an "enemy combatant" is a surefire way to a military state.

          How about a follow up for all the innocent people that were held without accusation or trial? You know, the ones who had their lives ruined because they had a neighbor who wanted their goats, and so proclaimed them Al Qaeda.
          You're missing one important fact.

          He's not an American, he's not awarded any special protections bound by any law of war international or civil. No treaty protects his status or defines his rights. We gave him a place to sleep, food and a quaran if we detained him until he was dead thats fine by me. Even if we were to award him Geneva rights, we can still detain him indefinately.

          In this mans case specifically, he surrendered to US forces after him and his buddies thought it would be a good idea to engage with them. No one was arguing that he should be tried for anything. I completely agree we shouldn't punish him for war crimes if he didnt commit any.

          He however, fired on US troops and tried to kill our guys. Even under the most strict regulations we've every right to detain indefinately. Sure give him cake, pie, allah or what ever he still shouldn't be released.

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          • SFC
            I know drama
            • Jun 2004
            • 24976

            #6
            Originally posted by CorinthiansBlackGT View Post
            You're missing one important fact.

            He's not an American, he's not awarded any special protections bound by any law of war international or civil. No treaty protects his status or defines his rights. We gave him a place to sleep, food and a quaran if we detained him until he was dead thats fine by me. Even if we were to award him Geneva rights, we can still detain him indefinately.
            It doesn't matter if you're an American if you're declared an "enemy combatant".

            No human being has the right to detain another "indefinitely" without accusation or trial, period. And enough of that same old bullshit spewed by a man that doesn't even understand the basic principles of the just war doctrine.


            In this mans case specifically, he surrendered to US forces after him and his buddies thought it would be a good idea to engage with them. No one was arguing that he should be tried for anything. I completely agree we shouldn't punish him for war crimes if he didnt commit any.
            If we aren't charging him, we aren't holding him.


            He however, fired on US troops and tried to kill our guys. Even under the most strict regulations we've every right to detain indefinately. Sure give him cake, pie, allah or what ever he still shouldn't be released.
            No, we don't have any right to detain him. If he fired on US troops, and we can prove it, try him. If we can't, let him go, and do a better job next time. That's how it works. It's called "justice".
            You stay classy Chet Beireis
            Originally posted by Paul Revere
            I can't wait for that ****** to take all the credit


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            • Fernanernie
              Hot slut aficionado
              • Dec 2003
              • 50750

              #7
              IOP1
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              • SFC
                I know drama
                • Jun 2004
                • 24976

                #8
                Originally posted by Fernanernie View Post
                IOP1
                No worries, I'm already done. Anyone that can preach the bullshit about "they aren't enemy combatants, we're just at war with them", obviously ate the bullshit Bush propaganda hook line and sinker.

                Yet if the same were done to our soldiers operating in foreign lands, it would be considered a travesty of justice. Attempting to justify the double-standards shows either a severe lack of intelligence, or a failure to understand how the world operates. You won't be winning any of the "good" muslims hearts and minds, which is exactly what we need.
                You stay classy Chet Beireis
                Originally posted by Paul Revere
                I can't wait for that ****** to take all the credit


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                • crzy88lx
                  I Rock Catholic Girls
                  • May 2005
                  • 3561

                  #9
                  dont detain them then. just kill them if they engage us. /thread
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                  • CorinthiansBlackGT
                    TCS Homer
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 4235

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SFC View Post
                    Yet if the same were done to our soldiers operating in foreign lands, it would be considered a travesty of justice. Attempting to justify the double-standards shows either a severe lack of intelligence, or a failure to understand how the world operates. You won't be winning any of the "good" muslims hearts and minds, which is exactly what we need.
                    Last edited by CorinthiansBlackGT; 07-08-2009, 02:13 PM.

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                    • Fosters
                      Typical white person
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 16014

                      #11
                      Originally posted by SFC View Post
                      No worries, I'm already done.
                      Thank God! Oh, wait, nevermind, you're not done until you get 2 more paragraphs of bullshit in...

                      Originally posted by SFC View Post
                      Anyone that can preach the bullshit about "they aren't enemy combatants, we're just at war with them", obviously ate the bullshit Bush propaganda hook line and sinker.
                      Kinda how you're eating the 'sit down and talk with no preconditions' line of bullshit that you Obamabots believe in?

                      Originally posted by SFC View Post
                      Yet if the same were done to our soldiers operating in foreign lands, it would be considered a travesty of justice. Attempting to justify the double-standards shows either a severe lack of intelligence, or a failure to understand how the world operates. You won't be winning any of the "good" muslims hearts and minds, which is exactly what we need.
                      Our soliders are soldiers of an army. These terrorists aren't. There's a huge difference. One is acting on behalf of a country, one is not. We don't need to win over the "good" muslims, and we certainly aren't gonna do it by releasing the "bad" ones. Maybe you should go over there to talk to them and win them all ("good" and "bad") over, prove to us your brilliant humanitarian side with vastly superior understanding of how the world works.
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