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  • KickAssFlash
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    TCS Auto-X Driver
    • Jul 2004
    • 11568

    Here it comes: bank nationalization



    Long regarded in the US as a folly of Europeans, nationalisation is gaining rapid acceptance among Washington opinion-formers – and not just with Alan Greenspan, former Federal Reserve chairman. Perhaps stranger still, many of those talking about nationalising banks are Republicans.

    Lindsey Graham, the Republican senator for South Carolina, says that many of his colleagues, including John McCain, the defeated presidential candidate, agree with his view that nationalisation of some banks should be “on the table”.

    Mr Graham says that people across the US accept his argument that it is untenable to keep throwing good money after bad into institutions such as Citigroup and Bank of America, which now have a lower net value than the amount of public funds they have received.

    “You should not get caught up on a word [nationalisation],” he told the Financial Times in an interview. “I would argue that we cannot be ideologically a little bit pregnant. It doesn’t matter what you call it, but we can’t keep on funding these zombie banks [without gaining public control]. That’s what the Japanese did.”

    Barack Obama, the president, who has tried to avoid panicking lawmakers and markets by entertaining the idea, has moved more towards what he calls the “Swedish model” – an approach backed strongly by Mr Graham. In the early 1990s Sweden nationalised its banking sector then auctioned banks having cleaned up balance sheets. “In limited circumstances the Swedish model makes sense for the US,” says Mr Graham.

    Mr Obama last weekend made clear he was leaning more towards the Swedish model than to the piecemeal approach taken in Japan, which many would argue is the direction US public policy appears to be heading.

    “They [the Japanese] sort of papered things over,” Mr Obama said. “They never really bit the bullet . . . and so you never got credit flowing the way it should have, and the bad assets in their system just corroded the economy for a long period of time.”

    Administration officials acknowledge that the rescue plan unveiled by Tim Geithner, Treasury secretary, last week could result in the temporary nationalisation of some weak banks.

    The plan sets out a framework for revealing the extent of the likely credit losses facing banks. Most private sector analysts believe the exercise will reveal that some banks have large capital shortfalls.

    Policymakers acknowledge that if this is indeed the case, it will be difficult for those with the largest shortfalls to raise the required equity from the markets, in which case the government would probably have to take temporary control. Moreover, while nationalisation remains taboo in some political circles it is increasingly openly discussed among past and present economic policymakers of all leanings.

    “In this country nationalisation of some banks – not the whole banking sector – should be a last resort, but it should definitely now be on the table,” said David Walker, head of the pro-free market Peterson Institute and a former senior official in the George W. Bush administration.

    The time for biting the bullet may also be fast approaching.

    In early April, big institutions will publish their first-quarter results. If the intervening Treasury stress tests have not by then revealed the true state of their balance sheets, then their first-quarter results may do so.

    “The first week in April – that’s when the children’s party is over,” says Chris Whalen, co-founder of Institutional Risk Analytics. “That is when the obvious will become apparent.”

    The Obama administration remains opposed to federal control. Mr Geithner last week said: “Governments are terrible managers of bad assets.”

    Others say he may eventually face no choice. “The danger we face is a Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae scenario where government gives the banking sector guarantees and then socialises the losses,” says Adam Posen, an economist. “That’s the worst thing we could do.”
  • NOTNSS
    x
    • Mar 2004
    • 42731

    #2
    It never ceases to amaze me the stupidity in Washington and how some lawmakers think things like this are great ideas

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    • fuzzy moonunit
      TCS Homer
      • Oct 2002
      • 4860

      #3
      Originally posted by Stallion View Post
      http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2ad3b750-f...nclick_check=1

      Barack Obama, the president, who has tried to avoid panicking lawmakers and markets by entertaining the idea, has moved more towards what he calls the “Swedish model” – an approach backed strongly by Mr Graham. In the early 1990s Sweden nationalised its banking sector then auctioned banks having cleaned up balance sheets. “In limited circumstances the Swedish model makes sense for the US,” says Mr Graham.

      As much as I would love to join your cause and be against bank nationalization, I just don't think I can say no to a Swedish model.

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      • KickAssFlash
        TCS AutoX Driver
        TCS Auto-X Driver
        • Jul 2004
        • 11568

        #4
        Originally posted by fuzzy moonunit View Post
        As much as I would love to join your cause and be against bank nationalization, I just don't think I can say no to a Swedish model.

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        • LS1Z28
          TCS Homer
          • Aug 2005
          • 2392

          #5
          The Obama administration remains opposed to federal control. Mr Geithner last week said: “Governments are terrible managers of bad assets.”

          Others say he may eventually face no choice. “The danger we face is a Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae scenario where government gives the banking sector guarantees and then socialises the losses,” says Adam Posen, an economist. “That’s the worst thing we could do.”
          They are awesome at focusing the attention elsewhere. Geithner sounds like he's in opposion of this idea. We'll see where he stands when it comes to a vote.

          --Sidenote--
          Today we have a national debt double that of what Obama criticized during his campaign. We now have a government that dictates how much companies are allowed to compensate their employees. We also now have a government allowed to ration your health care and deny you treatment for procedures that could let you enjoy more time with children and grandchildren.

          You won, President Obama. You won indeed.
          Originally posted by CAMSS30
          Oh heavens no I'm a big pussy, my parents sealed that when they named me Chet.

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          • Xtort
            TCS Homer
            • Dec 2004
            • 6968

            #6
            Originally posted by fuzzy moonunit View Post
            As much as I would love to join your cause and be against bank nationalization, I just don't think I can say no to a Swedish model.
            Yeah I'm sooo sure our government would stick by the Swedish model. Our government has such a great history in the last 8 decades of having fiscal self control.


            http://youtu.be/GTQnarzmTOc

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            • fuzzy moonunit
              TCS Homer
              • Oct 2002
              • 4860

              #7
              Originally posted by Xtort View Post
              Yeah I'm sooo sure our government would stick by the Swedish model. Our government has such a great history in the last 8 decades of having fiscal self control.
              It makes me sad when you don't get my jokes.

              Edit: Here, I'll help you out a bit...

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              • Fosters
                Typical white person
                • Sep 2006
                • 16014

                #8
                You hater. Obama is great at raising money. Just think about it, he could start campaigning now, and in about 1600 years, at 500 million per year raised, he could cover the entire stimulus package! We just gotta vote for him 399 more terms (messiah like him lives forever, no?)

                Originally posted by Xtort View Post
                Yeah I'm sooo sure our government would stick by the Swedish model. Our government has such a great history in the last 8 decades of having fiscal self control.
                "Stan, meet Helga"

                (name that movie)
                Originally posted by punch
                SFC is a bag of stupid.
                Capitalization is the difference between helping your uncle Jack off a horse & helping your uncle jack off a horse.

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                • Steve
                  eMechanic
                  TCS Auto-X Driver
                  • Nov 2002
                  • 5381

                  #9
                  Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equal opportunities for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation.

                  Maybe instead of of comparing Obama to Lincoln he should be compared to Karl Marx.
                  My couch pulls out but I don't.

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                  • Xtort
                    TCS Homer
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 6968

                    #10
                    Originally posted by fuzzy moonunit View Post
                    It makes me sad when you don't get my jokes.
                    Sry, I'm running on little sleep and lots of caffeine today.


                    http://youtu.be/GTQnarzmTOc

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                    • Rockin'98
                      An ice devouring sex tornado.
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 4489

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Fosters View Post
                      You hater. Obama is great at raising money. Just think about it, he could start campaigning now, and in about 1600 years, at 500 million per year raised, he could cover the entire stimulus package! We just gotta vote for him 399 more terms (messiah like him lives forever, no?)



                      "Stan, meet Helga"

                      (name that movie)
                      Oh s&it! LMAO
                      Originally posted by RocFoc
                      my evil plan is working... soon I shall add you to my harem
                      http://s279.photobucket.com/albums/k...nt=prgg002.flv

                      '98 Trans Am A4
                      Not fast enough...

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                      • Max Power
                        PierreGustaveToutantBeaur egard
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 13086

                        #12
                        Originally posted by fuzzy moonunit View Post
                        It makes me sad when you don't get my jokes.

                        Edit: Here, I'll help you out a bit...

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