Anybody here Drink the Kool-Aid?

[I Tried]

So did anybody on here drink the Barack Obama Kool-Aid yet?


If so will you be attending the meeting tonight and praying for him to change the world for you rather than change it for yourself?

[Fernanernie]

I'd much rather drink vodka with a religious cult with 40 other people and told to lie down in perfect formation and put a purple cloth over my face and wait for the comet to beam me up.

[I Tried]

Don't you want a Change!

[Miekk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKsoXHYICqU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7OUlm-H6KI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddP0rjXyyHU

[68GTO]

What is HOPE? Hope is what remains when all rational thought is gone; when all processes have been tested and failed. Hope means "someone please do something FOR me."

Obama is a charismatic speaker, when using his teleprompter and prepared for his audience, but he fails in extemporaneous speech and the communication of his thoughts. He says nothing better than anyone I have seen in a long time. People want to believe that someone who says the words "hope" and "change" must be better. Sadly, his record and inexperience tell a vastly different story. He makes constant gaffs when commenting on his soon-to-be international policy and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the economy.

This guy is like the facades at Universal studios that just burned down. They look great on camera, but are empty representations of life that fall quickly under duress.

Obama represents a revisiting of the Carter years, without the crazy, drunken brother.

[95 whitestang]

Personally i feel obama will be worse than carter if he gets elected.

[fuzzy moonunit]

What is HOPE? Hope is what remains when all rational thought is gone; when all processes have been tested and failed. Hope means "someone please do something FOR me."

Obama is a charismatic speaker, when using his teleprompter and prepared for his audience, but he fails in extemporaneous speech and the communication of his thoughts. He says nothing better than anyone I have seen in a long time. People want to believe that someone who says the words "hope" and "change" must be better. Sadly, his record and inexperience tell a vastly different story. He makes constant gaffs when commenting on his soon-to-be international policy and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the economy.

This guy is like the facades at Universal studios that just burned down. They look great on camera, but are empty representations of life that fall quickly under duress.

Obama represents a revisiting of the Carter years, without the crazy, drunken brother.

For someone who makes it their business to correct (sometimes incorrectly!) people's word selections, I find your definition of hope to be quite troublesome. I've searched through several dictionaries and I can't seem to find one that has a definition resembling yours.

Not every line of Senator Obama's speeches is packed full of substance, but not every line is devoid of it. If you take issue with a man that does better with written and recited word rather than extemporaneous speech then you might as well take issue with me, because I am just as susceptible to stupid remarks. He may use a teleprompter, but at least he is often reciting his own writing.

I'll take Obama's understanding of the economy over Clinton's fling-your-own-poo retarded understanding of it any day. I also don't respect McCain's plainspoken "Gee whiz I dunno, but I promise I'll hire some guys who do" approach either. Again on foreign policy I believe Obama's world view is very similar to mine, so I have no option other than to trust him to make decisions about current and future issues on the world stage that I will agree with.

Most importantly, if I'm wrong and he runs this country into the ground as you apparently think he will, I'll gladly pony up the cash on Ebay and you can chastise me on my young and foolish "hope" over a sixer of this:

[I Tried]

For someone who makes it their business to correct (sometimes incorrectly!) people's word selections, I find your definition of hope to be quite troublesome. I've searched through several dictionaries and I can't seem to find one that has a definition resembling yours.

Not every line of Senator Obama's speeches is packed full of substance, but not every line is devoid of it. If you take issue with a man that does better with written and recited word rather than extemporaneous speech then you might as well take issue with me, because I am just as susceptible to stupid remarks. He may use a teleprompter, but at least he is often reciting his own writing.

I'll take Obama's understanding of the economy over Clinton's fling-your-own-poo retarded understanding of it any day. I also don't respect McCain's plainspoken "Gee whiz I dunno, but I promise I'll hire some guys who do" approach either. Again on foreign policy I believe Obama's world view is very similar to mine, so I have no option other than to trust him to make decisions about current and future issues on the world stage that I will agree with.

Most importantly, if I'm wrong and he runs this country into the ground as you apparently think he will, I'll gladly pony up the cash on Ebay and you can chastise me on my young and foolish "hope" over a sixer of this:

DING DING DING We have a Drinker in the house.

[fuzzy moonunit]

DING DING DING We have a Drinker in the house.

I suppose it's just my unfortunate predisposition to prefer the life of socrates dissatisfied to that of a swine satisfied that makes me the butt of these jokes. Do tell though, how is life on the other end of the spectrum?

[Fernanernie]

DING DING DING We have a Drinker in the house.

Someone needs to photochop Obama Beer. Use this:

[Xtort]

I'll take Obama's understanding of the economy over Clinton's fling-your-own-poo retarded understanding of it any day. I also don't respect McCain's plainspoken "Gee whiz I dunno, but I promise I'll hire some guys who do" approach either. Again on foreign policy I believe Obama's world view is very similar to mine, so I have no option other than to trust him to make decisions about current and future issues on the world stage that I will agree with.

While I am literally disgusted with McCain, I believe that stating what he and any other candidate actually will end up doing is more honest. I am still not voting for that asstard.

And on Obama's and your own world view.. What is that again? That is a probe at Fuzzy not Obama.

[punch]

I'm voting "none of the above" in this years presidential election. Not one conservative in the bunch.

[68GTO]

For someone who makes it their business to correct (sometimes incorrectly!) people's word selections, I find your definition of hope to be quite troublesome. I've searched through several dictionaries and I can't seem to find one that has a definition resembling yours.

Fuzzy,
I make no claims to be infallible and never have. Since when is it required that my thoughts only represent thoughts that have come before or been documented? (See dictionary comment above). Where is the room for original thought? Agree or not, I welcome your comments. Hope is not a bad thing, but I do not believe that his message of "hope" is the same as "courage" to do the right things, to make the right choices and "vision" to make them happen. I have not seen this from him. I think him too young and inexperienced to lead our nation.

Not every line of Senator Obama's speeches is packed full of substance, but not every line is devoid of it. If you take issue with a man that does better with written and recited word rather than extemporaneous speech then you might as well take issue with me, because I am just as susceptible to stupid remarks. He may use a teleprompter, but at least he is often reciting his own writing.

The reciting his own writing comment is tantamount to finding a moral victory in a defeat. I'm pleased that he writes some of his speeches. He's good a motivational speaking, but I disagree with his rhetoric, philosophies, economic ideas (lack thereof) and demonstrated lack of understanding of the nuance that is world politics. I disagree with what he says and on what he bases his statements.

I'll take Obama's understanding of the economy over Clinton's fling-your-own-poo retarded understanding of it any day. I also don't respect McCain's plainspoken "Gee whiz I dunno, but I promise I'll hire some guys who do" approach either. Again on foreign policy I believe Obama's world view is very similar to mine, so I have no option other than to trust him to make decisions about current and future issues on the world stage that I will agree with.

My comments were not a relative comparison of candidates nor an endorsement of any. I make no claims that the others have it right either. You are free to associate your view of the world with anyone you desire. I do not subscribe to his approach because it is fatally flawed when viewed through historical perspective. Again, my opinion and yours do not have to align. These are MY thoughts.

Most importantly, if I'm wrong and he runs this country into the ground as you apparently think he will, I'll gladly pony up the cash on Ebay and you can chastise me on my young and foolish "hope" over a sixer of this [Billy Beer].

Thanks for the thought on the beer, but I don't drink. I'd rather act on sound principles and understanding of the roles that the private and public sector play. My take on a few things:

Role of Government

• Government power has outgrown the limits placed on it by the Constitution
• Citizens have abdicated their role in electing representatives who understand civil service and the role of government (See Davy Crocket as example) and have failed to kick them out
• The government produces NOTHING, they ONLY consume what is produced by the private sector
• Growing government regulations and bureaucracy kills entrepreneurship and enterprise

On Taxes

• One can not tax one's way out of economic downturn - FACT (one needs growth and spending restraint)
• Reducing the RATE of taxation increases taxes collected - FACT

[fuzzy moonunit]

*lots of stuff and lists*

I don't deify Obama and I don't wholeheartedly agree with everything he says, but long story short, he's my pick right now. The biggest issue I have with this thread and what you wrote earlier was that it seems to imply that everyone who supports Obama is purely buying into hype and has not done the research into his substance. Obama does have his cult-ish supporters, but that does not mean that all who support him do so without good reason.

I resent the insinuation that rather than disagree because I think differently, I am simply disagreeing because I haven't been thinking.

[68GTO]

I don't deify Obama and I don't wholeheartedly agree with everything he says, but long story short, he's my pick right now. The biggest issue I have with this thread and what you wrote earlier was that it seems to imply that everyone who supports Obama is purely buying into hype and has not done the research into his substance. Obama does have his cult-ish supporters, but that does not mean that all who support him do so without good reason.

I resent the insinuation that rather than disagree because I think differently, I am simply disagreeing because I haven't been thinking.

You can choose to be offended by my comments, but I neither lumped you into a category nor did I vilify anyone for their support of said candidate. What I did was to provide my opinion on the man. If you wish to feel insulted, I will not stand in your way. Feel and vote as you wish. I stand on what I said about him in general and will not vote for him to be the leader of our nation, regardless of his gift of speech.