Demise of the manual transmission?

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  • Stormwalker
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    Moderator
    • Mar 2004
    • 21617

    Demise of the manual transmission?

    This blogger thinks so:

    I recently blogged about the Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8. Overall I liked the car, but some readers commented that they couldn't understand how Jeep could offer such a clearly high-performance vehicle without a manual transmission (even as an option). Jeep is hardly alone in their lack of manual appreciation. The latest BMW M5 and M6 models weren't available with a traditional manual transmission, at least not initially. There's no manual in Audi's S8, Porsche's Cayenne Turbo, or any version of the Mercedes-Benz SL (a model whose name comes from the term sports light).

    Then there are the models that a technically available with a traditional manual transmission, but good luck finding one at your local dealer or in the classifieds. These would include such paragons of performance as the Aston-Martin V8 Vantage, Ferrari F430 and Lamborghini Gallardo. Even Mitsubishi's orignal bad boy rally racer, the Lancer Evolution, will be available with only two pedals this year. And who wants to bet how the majority of them will be equipped for the U.S. market? Here's a hint: Remember when the Porsche faithful bemoaned the availability of an automatic in their beloved 911 Turbo? They wondered who would actually buy a car like that with a slushbox shifter between the seats? The answer turned out to be the majority of Turbo buyers.

    What does all this mean for the long-term health of the manual transmission? Is it destined for the same fate as the hand-crank starter, points ignition and carburetor? And with the development of electro-hydaulic clutches is the death of the manual transmission even worth worrying about? As usual, I have the answer to all these questions and more.

    First, the manual transmission is going to go away eventually. Less than 10 percent of new vehicles sold in this country have three pedals in the driver's footwell. Blame it on traffic congestion. Blame it on lack of training. Blame it on pure laziness if you must, but don't expect the trend to reverse. Many will see the "technological fix" to this situation in the form of transmissions like Audi's DSG and Ferrari's F1 offerings.

    I like those transmissions, and I certainly prefer their driving characteristics to what is delivered by torque converters. But I was talking to a Ferrari technician recently and he made an interesting statement: If I'm in a car that starts to slide sideways, or even goes into a full spin, there's nothing I can do about it in an F1 car. But with a traditional manual transmission I can work the clutch and accelerator pedals to potentially save the vehicle.

    I'd never thought about that, even though I've used the clutch to balance a sliding vehicle on a couple of occasions myself. It occurred to me that the best comparison to this is another (relatively) recently-introduced technology -- ABS. Like ABS, an electrohydraulic clutch is better for most of the people most of the time. But just as with ABS, there are situations where a computer's ability to solve a problem aren't as good as a human's. The electrohydraulic clutch can't tell when it would be better to have the clutch only partially engaged. In fact, that's the heart of why these new transmissions are so "good" -- they essentially spend no time in partial clutch engagement.

    Typically a car with an electrohydraulic clutch will pull faster lap times than one with three pedals. I guess there's no denying the stopwatch, so that's that, right? Of course, I recently drove an Audi R8 with three pedals and a metal-gate shifter. Trust me, there's no denying how that interation of man and machine feels, either. I'm the first one to sign up for an automatic when it comes time to drive around West Los Angeles. But I'm also glad my Ford GT has a large metal shifter and three pedals below the dash.

    When it comes to pure fun behind the wheel (not to mention maximum power-delivery flexibility, should the need arise...) there's simply no comparison. But that won't stop their demise.

    Thoughts?
    Originally posted by Nick
    The choice is easy.

    Taxwalker.
  • Akromix
    oat goat
    • Oct 2003
    • 23163

    #2
    shut the fuck asshole.

    cliffs?
    god damned tinypic.

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    • Mili M
      TCS Homer
      • Apr 2004
      • 4985

      #3
      On some vehicles I can understand having an automatic transmission. I dont think I could buy a sports car with an auto tranny. I hope they dont completely disappear. That would suck.

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      • Outrun
        Answer The Call
        • Aug 2003
        • 20755

        #4
        Would be a good story....but I already saw it on MW 4 hours ago n00b.

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        • SFC
          I know drama
          • Jun 2004
          • 24976

          #5
          What he fails to mention is that that 10% has been holding strong for how many years now? Of course mainline momwagons will continue to be automatics, and sports cars will continue to be manuals.
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          • Stormwalker
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            Moderator
            • Mar 2004
            • 21617

            #6
            He's saying that a lot of "sport" cars are now being offered with only an automatic.
            Originally posted by Nick
            The choice is easy.

            Taxwalker.

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            • kineda
              Fuck your Subaru
              • Apr 2004
              • 29884

              #7
              Originally posted by SFC View Post
              What he fails to mention is that that 10% has been holding strong for how many years now? Of course mainline momwagons will continue to be automatics, and sports cars will continue to be manuals.
              dont forget the better gas mileage models of car lines.
              Originally posted by LTDpower
              You are not Philip to me, you are customer #88306-B to me.
              Originally posted by ProRauder
              I submit that more I.T. people have disposable income to waste on making cars go fast

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              • LES
                Doing more with Les!
                • Apr 2006
                • 33157

                #8
                Originally posted by Stormwalker View Post
                He's saying that a lot of "sport" cars are now being offered with only an automatic.
                I am trying to find it , but I read an article that GM actually sells more Corvette's with Girlamatics then 6 speeds.
                It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word.
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                • OffShore
                  yes it floats
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 9995

                  #9
                  most people that buy new vettes are old people that dont want to shift. Ithink a 6 speed auto in a new zo6 would be bad ass!
                  11.0 w 550 whp > 11.0 w 1100 whp VW

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                  • Max Power
                    PierreGustaveToutantBeaur egard
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 13086

                    #10
                    New Chevy Silverado half tons are not available with a stick.

                    Imagine, you can't even buy a new farm truck with a stick. I never thought I would say that.

                    I still prefer manuals, not only for the driving experience and control, but to watch peach fuzz faced valets scramble to find the "old guy" that can drive a stick.

                    When I was in high school, if you couldn't drive a stick, you played with dolls.

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                    • LES
                      Doing more with Les!
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 33157

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Max Power View Post
                      New Chevy Silverado half tons are not available with a stick.

                      Imagine, you can't even buy a new farm truck with a stick. I never thought I would say that.

                      I still prefer manuals, not only for the driving experience and control, but to watch peach fuzz faced valets scramble to find the "old guy" that can drive a stick.

                      When I was in high school, if you couldn't drive a stick, you played with dolls.
                      It is happening with every post Max, you and I are becomming more and more alike! AHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
                      It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word.
                      Andrew Jackson

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                      • mustang cobra93
                        PROCHARGER
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 3964

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Max Power View Post
                        New Chevy Silverado half tons are not available with a stick.

                        Imagine, you can't even buy a new farm truck with a stick. I never thought I would say that.

                        I still prefer manuals, not only for the driving experience and control, but to watch peach fuzz faced valets scramble to find the "old guy" that can drive a stick.

                        When I was in high school, if you couldn't drive a stick, you played with dolls.

                        ROFLMAO
                        "The power of the RIFF compells me"


                        "Champipple"

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                        • SFC
                          I know drama
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 24976

                          #13
                          Originally posted by kineda View Post
                          dont forget the better gas mileage models of car lines.
                          I would say that's more to do with gearing. New auto's have finally started using realistic (IE: 5/6/7+spd) gearing.
                          You stay classy Chet Beireis
                          Originally posted by Paul Revere
                          I can't wait for that ****** to take all the credit


                          PITBULLS KILL KIDS!!!
                          ROTTWEILERS EAT BABIES!!
                          Celtic Mafia
                          6.2L Mafia
                          319whp of fury

                          Anticipation is the bane of my existence.

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                          • Roast'em
                            has posted this
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 5496

                            #14
                            Maybe it's why sales are slipping. I'd rather drive a stick any day of the week. That's just how I was raised though

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                            • Notch
                              Trunkback Moostang
                              • May 2005
                              • 23574

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Max Power
                              New Chevy Silverado half tons are not available with a stick.

                              Imagine, you can't even buy a new farm truck with a stick. I never thought I would say that.
                              look at the new f150. you can't get a stick or bench seat, and most of them are 4 door short boxes

                              will the stick ever be completely gone? i hope not. but i would like to see more new vehicles with them. i have driven enough of the push button automatics to know that they could never be more fun than an actual stick. plus, theres the better gas mileage. And yes, i know typical, but damn near everyone i have talked to at school about cars say that they would prefer a manual in their car and some even want to convert theirs. But I think that sports cars should have the majority of their sales be a manual tranny, and all 1/2 ton and bigger trucks should at least have a stick standard. but i know that the other like 2 mustang owners at my school do envy that my car is a stick, and i'm glad i coverted it to one instead of using a c4, because it makes for a more fun street car.

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