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  • Stormwalker
    ggggggggggggggggggggggggg ggggg
    Moderator
    • Mar 2004
    • 21617

    This story pisses me off

    After spending two nights in the Ramsey County jail, Donald Hurd walked out Thursday with no wallet, no cash and nowhere to go. The 68-year-old man was mugged Tuesday night in St. Paul, and officer…


    After spending two nights in the Ramsey County jail, Donald Hurd walked out Thursday with no wallet, no cash and nowhere to go.

    The 68-year-old man was mugged Tuesday night in St. Paul, and officers arrested him after he shot one of the suspected robbers.

    Hurd was taking the bus Tuesday to pick up his Chevrolet truck from a repair shop and was attacked between stops. On Thursday, he made it to the Roseville shop, but his truck wasn't ready.

    The Bigfork, Minn., man thought the jailers would return $100 in cash the robbers hadn't found. He was going to use it to stay in a motel Thursday night. As it turns out, when the jail returns inmates' property, they trade cash for a check. Hurd didn't know what good a check would do him because his driver's license had been stolen.

    "I don't like to ask for help," said Hurd, who is retired but comes to the Twin Cities to do odd jobs. He is divorced, and his family lives out of state. "If you get into a situation, it's up to you to get out of it."

    Hurd's problems might not be over. Though he was released from jail, he could yet face criminal charges.

    He might be a hero in the court of public opinion, but whether Hurd broke the law is a different story.

    Hurd said he was only trying to scare the three young men who attacked him. Legal experts said Hurd's case doesn't seem to meet the self-defense standard in Minnesota. The 18-year-old man who Hurd shot in the shoulder is expected to be fine, police said.

    "You would think somewhere between the letter of the law, there's some space there for some consideration and understanding," Hurd said. "It is an injustice."

    The robbery suspects weren't arrested. The investigation into the robbery and the shooting continues, police said.

    Hurd was born in St. Paul and raised in San Francisco. He came back to St. Paul when he was 15, after his mother was killed in a car accident, and he lived with his father.

    On his 17th birthday, Hurd enlisted in the Army and worked as a military police officer. He was stationed in Germany, what is now Fort McCoy in Wisconsin and at Fort Dix in New Jersey.

    After leaving the Army, Hurd returned to Minnesota, where he and his wife raised a family. He worked different jobs over the years - driving trucks and school buses, working as a plumber and an electrician, and being a security guard.

    He's a quiet man and said he's embarrassed by the attention his case has received. He said he would have done the same thing if he came across someone in his situation.

    "I would give up myself to destroy evil," he said Thursday. "It's just the way I am."

    Hurd doesn't have a criminal history, but he acknowledged some problems with the way he handled things Tuesday night. He lied to police at first about the shooting, which he said he did because he was scared and confused. He doesn't have a permit to carry the pistol he had with him.

    If he could go back to when he fired his gun Tuesday and change things, he's not sure he would.

    "God only knows," Hurd said. "I don't want to say yes and I don't want to say no because you have a different frame of mind in that situation. I felt like I was violated. You look for some justice for yourself."

    State Rep. Tony Cornish, who sponsored a bill this legislative session to give citizens more leeway in using deadly force to defend themselves, said he was outraged by what happened to Hurd.

    "Maybe if these scumbags that were beating and robbing our old people had some doubt in their mind if they were going to survive their own crime, they would have some doubt about committing it in the first place," said Cornish, R-Good Thunder.

    Cornish's bill, which he called "Stand Your Ground" legislation, didn't get a committee hearing. Though it might not have applied directly in Hurd's case, Cornish said, the law would have offered clarity about when and how citizens can defend themselves.

    Current Minnesota law says it's justifiable to kill someone if you are "resisting or preventing an offense" that you "reasonably" believe could lead to "great bodily harm or death" for you or another person. If you are in your own home, deadly force can be used to prevent someone from committing a felony.

    Even so, local attorneys think an argument could be made for Hurd's actions. If he is charged and the case goes to a jury, he'll likely come across as a sympathetic figure, they said.

    "These aren't cases prosecutors like to take to juries," said Richard Frase, a University of Minnesota law professor.

    Mara H. Gottfried covers St. Paul public safety. She can be reached at mgottfried@pioneerpress.com or 651-228-5262.
    Getting to the point where it sounds like citizens need to defend themselves against a corrupt government, rather than thieves.
    Originally posted by Nick
    The choice is easy.

    Taxwalker.
  • Outrun
    Answer The Call
    • Aug 2003
    • 20755

    #2
    He lied, didn't have a permit. Who else knows what happened that we don't know about. Of course the media smears things.

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    • Stormwalker
      ggggggggggggggggggggggggg ggggg
      Moderator
      • Mar 2004
      • 21617

      #3
      Originally posted by Outrun View Post
      He lied, didn't have a permit. Who else knows what happened that we don't know about. Of course the media smears things.
      A lot of people carry without a permit. Which gets you into trouble in this state. Sounds like all he did is defend himself from getting robbed. Sends a good message to thugs at bus stops at any rate.
      Originally posted by Nick
      The choice is easy.

      Taxwalker.

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      • Outrun
        Answer The Call
        • Aug 2003
        • 20755

        #4
        Originally posted by Stormwalker View Post
        A lot of people carry without a permit. Which gets you into trouble in this state. Sounds like all he did is defend himself from getting robbed. Sends a good message to thugs at bus stops at any rate.
        You know my stance. Controlled Genocide. Take all of the douchebags that mooch and don't contribute anything useful, and into the fucking ovens you go.

        Or we could do it up like the Middle East, you fuck around? You lose limbs. But the US is too pussy to do anything....except build choo choo, questionably the worst transit system in the world.

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        • 50Stang
          Bottle Fed
          • Feb 2005
          • 218

          #5
          He should've shot the kid in the head instead of the shoulder... that was a waste of a good bullet.

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          • kineda
            Fuck your Subaru
            • Apr 2004
            • 29884

            #6
            what was the point of getting that detailed into the old mans life?
            Originally posted by LTDpower
            You are not Philip to me, you are customer #88306-B to me.
            Originally posted by ProRauder
            I submit that more I.T. people have disposable income to waste on making cars go fast

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            • CCr
              The penis has spoken.
              • Jun 2005
              • 10966

              #7
              I think criminal charges for carrying (probably a misdemeanor) should be filed. and absolutely no action whatso-ever concerning the fact that he shot a mugger.
              Originally posted by xjfish
              Cool story bro. I prefer fat chicks.
              I'd be unstoppable if it weren't for law enforcement and physics.
              Raquel Petrowski 4/13/78-4/19/10

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              • SmithEvo
                Poppin' VTAK yo!
                • Nov 2004
                • 25468

                #8
                Originally posted by 50Stang View Post
                He should've shot the kid in the head instead of the shoulder... that was a waste of a good bullet.
                No, central mass. Harder to miss and then they have to suffer a bit too.
                Not at the table, Carlos.

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                • CorinthiansBlackGT
                  TCS Homer
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 4235

                  #9
                  Too bad he didn't kill them both. Think about it... he's fucking 68 years old he cant defend himself and the little bastards who tried to rob him could easily overpower him. The fact that he was carrying without a permit doesnt bother me one bit. He used to be law enforcement though it was years ago plus he was in the military. He knows how to handle a firearm. All though his aim was off I'll let that slip by with the excuse of old age.

                  I swear to fucking god if they charge him i'll find an excuse to shoot the next fucker i catch screwing with my car.

                  Babies stay crunchy in milk!

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                  • titanium
                    Hi friend
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 4639

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Outrun View Post
                    He lied, didn't have a permit. Who else knows what happened that we don't know about. Of course the media smears things.
                    How do they smear? They couldnt explain how hes getting shafted without telling why he might get in trouble.

                    Hurd doesn't have a criminal history, but he acknowledged some problems with the way he handled things Tuesday night.

                    He might be a hero in the court of public opinion, but whether Hurd broke the law is a different story

                    "I would give up myself to destroy evil," he said Thursday. "It's just the way I am."
                    Yeah they're really out to smear the story and make him look bad





                    Originally posted by Stormwalker View Post
                    A lot of people carry without a permit. Which gets you into trouble in this state.
                    What states doesnt it?
                    Last edited by titanium; 05-11-2007, 11:25 AM.

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                    • kineda
                      Fuck your Subaru
                      • Apr 2004
                      • 29884

                      #11
                      Originally posted by titanium View Post
                      What states doesnt it?
                      texas..
                      Originally posted by LTDpower
                      You are not Philip to me, you are customer #88306-B to me.
                      Originally posted by ProRauder
                      I submit that more I.T. people have disposable income to waste on making cars go fast

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                      • titanium
                        Hi friend
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 4639

                        #12
                        Originally posted by kineda View Post
                        texas..

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                        • USAlx50
                          shoot em in the face
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 4201

                          #13
                          Originally posted by titanium View Post
                          What states doesnt it?
                          You can have a gun uncased with mag loaded in plain view in your vehicle in the dakotas Cant CC in public though.. I think you can get your ccw permit at 18 there though.

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                          • titanium
                            Hi friend
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 4639

                            #14
                            Originally posted by USAlx50 View Post
                            You can have a gun uncased with mag loaded in plain view in your vehicle in the dakotas Cant CC in public though.. I think you can get your ccw permit at 18 there though.
                            And this guy was on foot so its not only THUS LUBRAL STATE HURRR where he would of been breaking the law. Yeah it sucks and the robbers got (imo less) then what was coming to them but he'd be going through the same shit in any other state for not having a permit.

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                            • Max Power
                              PierreGustaveToutantBeaur egard
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 13086

                              #15
                              Originally posted by titanium View Post

                              Yeah they're really out to smear the story and make him look bad






                              We all know that the media is the boogeyman.

                              I think they painted a pretty sympathetic story, but that's just me. Too bad he didn't fire three. Jackasses that rob the elderly need to be put down.

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