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[CorinthiansBlackGT]

How can i toss a 400 small block into my 2001 gt?

[punch]

pm zeus?

[TurboX2]

How can i toss a 400 small block into my 2001 gt?

If you do that, please leave this board and never come back.....


Seriously, you want a big Chevy motor, go buy a Camaro to stick it in, don't bastardize a nice Mustang into something neither side will think is cool....

[Video_Master]

[theduckylittle]

I say "Blah!" to all of you discouraging him. Anyway, Zues had a Big-block in his Capri, not a SBC.

SBC > Modular for the money. If you're thinking about building up something, then I'd consider taking the $2-3G's from the 400 build-up and sticking it into a blower for the 4.6. You'd be getting 300 horsepower without the reliability problems and hassle of the SBC swap.

Now, if you still want to do the SBC swap (like you have a 400 horse SBC around and want to put it in your car to have a 400 horse SBC) the process isn't *that* difficult but it will require some patience and some money.

If you want to keep a stick you'll have two options that will work, either the T5 or the T56. These are used in both GM and Ford applications. To use either one the process will generally go like this:
* Get the Ford Version of the tranny.
* Bolt the GM bellhousing on it
* Put the GM input shaft on it.
Doing that is expensive, but it's a very clean way to mate the Ford Drivetrain/Clutch/Shifter to the GM engine. A number of the parts can be junkyarded. Even T56's are starting to make appearances (from the Camaro's and Firebird's).

After you have that sorted out you'll have to fabricate motor mounts. I know they used to have a few "Swap kits" that would work in Fox-bodies, but with the different geometry of the SN-95's and especially the different design of the K-member in the modular cars, you'll be looking at doing some welding.

Assuming you go Carb'd you'll also need to do some fuel system changes. Either get a regulator for the high-pressure fuel-injection pump or sump your tank and use a carb'd style pump.

Then all you have to do is mate accessories. The power-steering will probably be the biggest bitch because alternators and AC tend to be pretty much the same with some small details needed for mating them together. But I'm not sure any of the GM power-steering pumps could be made compatible with late-model Ford rack.

I doubt you're actually seriously considering this... but eh... I enjoyed the mental activity of figuring it out.

Peace,

-Duck

[SS1LE02]

Ha ha ha. That's great.

Another one sees the light.

[USAlx50]

why a 400 SB?

[Mullet Tuner]

Werd 350 block>400 block

[itlkick]

Check the Popular Hotrodding Engine Master Challenge this year - top two entries were FORD 351 based motors - NOT CHEVY!!!!

If you put a chevy motor in your Mustang you will be destroying it!

DON'T DO IT!

[theduckylittle]

Check the Popular Hotrodding Engine Master Challenge this year - top two entries were FORD 351 based motors - NOT CHEVY!!!!

If you put a chevy motor in your Mustang you will be destroying it!

DON'T DO IT!

He's not building something to compete in the PHR-EMC. At least, not that I know of... so there's no reason here to dissuade him from putting a SBC into his Mustang.

How is he destroying his Mustang? Because it has a different engine? Pah... screw it... let him do what he wants. He's not the first or last person to do a non-Ford engine swap into a Mustang. The result is usually a pretty quick ride.

Who cares if anyone else likes it so long as he's having fun with it and it goes fast?

I don't much care for Camaro's... but damn I like the LS-series of engines... why not put one in a Fox body? A few people have done it and have 400 horse, N/A, run 11's at the track, and still knock down high-20 mpg's. That is impressive. I'd build that if I had the extra cash to score an LS1 or 6 or (drools) 7.

If he knows more about Chevy's and wants one in his Mustang that's HIS business. It's his car to enjoy. Now, he asked if it was possible to swap it into his car. If y'all don't have a suggestion on how to do it then you're not answering his question and your post is a waste.

Another thing I thought of ... if you were doing an fuelie swap, you could potentially use the EEC-V to control the engine. It would require a chip to do it (for the larger displacement) and you'd need to re-wire things... but it'd let you keep more of the ford parts surrounding the engine.

-Duck

[itlkick]

He's not building something to compete in the PHR-EMC. At least, not that I know of... so there's no reason here to dissuade him from putting a SBC into his Mustang.

How is he destroying his Mustang? Because it has a different engine? Pah... screw it... let him do what he wants. He's not the first or last person to do a non-Ford engine swap into a Mustang. The result is usually a pretty quick ride.

Who cares if anyone else likes it so long as he's having fun with it and it goes fast?

I don't much care for Camaro's... but damn I like the LS-series of engines... why not put one in a Fox body? A few people have done it and have 400 horse, N/A, run 11's at the track, and still knock down high-20 mpg's. That is impressive. I'd build that if I had the extra cash to score an LS1 or 6 or (drools) 7.

If he knows more about Chevy's and wants one in his Mustang that's HIS business. It's his car to enjoy. Now, he asked if it was possible to swap it into his car. If y'all don't have a suggestion on how to do it then you're not answering his question and your post is a waste.

Another thing I thought of ... if you were doing an fuelie swap, you could potentially use the EEC-V to control the engine. It would require a chip to do it (for the larger displacement) and you'd need to re-wire things... but it'd let you keep more of the ford parts surrounding the engine.

-Duck

Why shouldn't he do it??? For the same reason he shouldn't wear a dress to work - it may fit nice but it is just PLAIN FRIGGEN WRONG!

Why build a chevy motor these days? A Ford does not cost any more to build, has just as many speed parts available, and can make the same or more power!

Why would you do it????

[theduckylittle]

Why shouldn't he do it??? For the same reason he shouldn't wear a dress to work - it may fit nice but it is just PLAIN FRIGGEN WRONG!

I'm sure you'd look fetching in a black skirt and red blouse. Those two situations are not analogous. One is breaking a number of social morays and has a stereotype of homosexuality and implications of a wider societal impact, the other involves putting an engine in a car. Will people go? "Why?" Sure, they always do... but a timeslip doesn't say "Ew..." or "That's wrong" I remember someone with a Cadiallac motor in a Fox-body did rather well in Tennesee. I remember that timeslip almost saying "9's" when a lot of the Ford stuff was saying "Bye's."

Why build a chevy motor these days? A Ford does not cost any more to build, has just as many speed parts available, and can make the same or more power!

That's not entirely true. Chevy parts (on the whole) are still cheaper. Compare the cost of intakes, heads, et. al, the chevy is (in the case of the intakes) always cheaper, sometimes by as much as 30% cheaper than the Ford. (This is of course a gross generalization, there are

Why would you do it????

Because Modulars suck. Because making nuts power with old technology engines doesn't seem like fun to me. But that's me. I'm sure CoranthiansBlackGT has a number of reasons why he'd want to perform the swap. Quit giving him shit about it.

-Duck

[itlkick]

I'm sure you'd look fetching in a black skirt and red blouse. Those two situations are not analogous. One is breaking a number of social morays and has a stereotype of homosexuality and implications of a wider societal impact, the other involves putting an engine in a car. Will people go? "Why?" Sure, they always do... but a timeslip doesn't say "Ew..." or "That's wrong" I remember someone with a Cadiallac motor in a Fox-body did rather well in Tennesee. I remember that timeslip almost saying "9's" when a lot of the Ford stuff was saying "Bye's."


That's not entirely true. Chevy parts (on the whole) are still cheaper. Compare the cost of intakes, heads, et. al, the chevy is (in the case of the intakes) always cheaper, sometimes by as much as 30% cheaper than the Ford. (This is of course a gross generalization, there are


Because Modulars suck. Because making nuts power with old technology engines doesn't seem like fun to me. But that's me. I'm sure CoranthiansBlackGT has a number of reasons why he'd want to perform the swap. Quit giving him shit about it.

-Duck

Several thoughts:

1) I do see a direct relation between wearing a dress and putting a chevy in a Ford. They both are bastardizing something for no apparent reason or benefit. They are typically done for the "shock factor" or because someone is having serious "gender" or "brand" issues.

2) As far as being cheaper to build a chevy? I guess it depends on what you want to build. If you are building a race motor they are the same or so close in cost it depends on what parts you chose. Pick a part for a chevy that can be had for significantly less than a comparable Ford part from any number of vendors.

3) As far as not liking modulars - I prefer a pushrod engine but they do not suck! I have seen modular motors with more horsepower than I make with my car that have better street manors and get better gas mileage. My Navigator makes 500 HP and has better than stock drivability.

4) As far as the Cadillac Mustang and the PGD last year - yes, it did better than my car and I can't make any excuses about that. I would expect though had you driven both cars that you would pick my car WAY over the other car to own and drive. I also expect that if both of us are invited back again this year that I may be able to put the hurt on with some of my changes (although he could be changing stuff also). I don't care if someone beats my car, it just makes me try that much harder!

[theduckylittle]

Several thoughts:

1) I do see a direct relation between wearing a dress and putting a chevy in a Ford. They both are bastardizing something for no apparent reason or benefit. They are typically done for the "shock factor" or because someone is having serious "gender" or "brand" issues.

"Brand" has no serious social implications, gender orientation does... it shouldn't but it does.

2) As far as being cheaper to build a chevy? I guess it depends on what you want to build. If you are building a race motor they are the same or so close in cost it depends on what parts you chose. Pick a part for a chevy that can be had for significantly less than a comparable Ford part from any number of vendors.

Right, by the time you're ordering up serious stuff, you're talking pennies differences, at best. But for mild street builds the SBC stuff is still cheaper.

3) As far as not liking modulars - I prefer a pushrod engine but they do not suck! I have seen modular motors with more horsepower than I make with my car that have better street manors and get better gas mileage. My Navigator makes 500 HP and has better than stock drivability.

How's that supercharger doing on there? 500 horsepower with stock drivability is available from GM too. No blower required and they call it an LS7. There are more readily avialable engines to do it too, even Hot Rod themselves got damn near that number with a roughly-tuned Carb, "mystery" timing curves, and a cam out of an LS6. No fancification involved at all. No internals swapping, no worrying about aereating the block, no oil feed lines to the supercharger, no computer tuning, nothing.

Most modulars making 450+ horsepower start running into problems with the block breathing TOO WELL for their own comfort. Have had some bank put in them for a tune, upgraded fuel system, etc.

4) As far as the Cadillac Mustang and the PGD last year - yes, it did better than my car and I can't make any excuses about that. I would expect though had you driven both cars that you would pick my car WAY over the other car to own and drive. I also expect that if both of us are invited back again this year that I may be able to put the hurt on with some of my changes (although he could be changing stuff also). I don't care if someone beats my car, it just makes me try that much harder!

I wasn't trying to insult you (please don't take my prevous post in such a tone) re-reading it, I thought it could be interpreted that way, and it was not intended as such. I was pointing out an example of a very sucessful cross-breed, that I knew you'd recognize. In the context of this conversation, I could careless about your car, what's being done to it, etc., just back off if the dude wants to do something different. Or anyone looking to do something like this... hot rodding is not always about "me too" cars.

-Duck

[itlkick]

"Brand" has no serious social implications, gender orientation does... it shouldn't but it does.

Actually at times brand has more social implication although only in places where people care (like at car shows or races). I have seen people get beat up for driving a brand of car and trying to mix with people who drive another brand. That sounds a lot like gender problems.

How's that supercharger doing on there? 500 horsepower with stock drivability is available from GM too. No blower required and they call it an LS7. There are more readily avialable engines to do it too, even Hot Rod themselves got damn near that number with a roughly-tuned Carb, "mystery" timing curves, and a cam out of an LS6. No fancification involved at all. No internals swapping, no worrying about aereating the block, no oil feed lines to the supercharger, no computer tuning, nothing.

Yes but then lets see you put it in a 6,000 pound SUV and pull an 8,000 pound trailer over a 10,000 foot pass with it! My point is my Modular performs very well for what it does.

Most modulars making 450+ horsepower start running into problems with the block breathing TOO WELL for their own comfort. Have had some bank put in them for a tune, upgraded fuel system, etc.

This is -NOT- true. Stock modular blocks are making 1,800 HP. The stock internals (rods & pistons) are not always capable but the blocks are strong.

I wasn't trying to insult you (please don't take my prevous post in such a tone) re-reading it, I thought it could be interpreted that way, and it was not intended as such. I was pointing out an example of a very sucessful cross-breed, that I knew you'd recognize. In the context of this conversation, I could careless about your car, what's being done to it, etc., just back off if the dude wants to do something different. Or anyone looking to do something like this... hot rodding is not always about "me too" cars.

-Duck

I don't mind being insulted but I didn't take it that way.

All I will say about cross-breed cars is when I am at a show if I see a Ford with a chevy motor in it (or the other way around) I immediately walk away. No matter how the job was done I lose complete interest. This includes cars like the "fast-forward fastback" that Troy Trepanier(sp) built. I know I am not the only one and I feel strongly that cross-brand engine swaps destroy the hobby. The nice part about hot rodding is you don't have to agree with me and you can build whatever you want. All I know is I won't be looking at it....