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  • sport the war
    لا أحد يعلم ما يقول هذا لكنها
    • Dec 2004
    • 17482

    Who needs facts!!

    Pretty sad when you have to try to make shit up to win. I hope Mittens and Ryan enjoy their time off from all the lying.


    MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) – A Canadian woman is the star of a new health care campaign ad running in Minnesota, including on WCCO-TV.

    The ad is produced by Americans for Prosperity, the conservative Super PAC with ties to the Tea Party and funded by the oil billionaire Koch brothers.

    But the ad is based on a false premise: That America’s new health care law creates a government-run system, like Canada’s. But it’s not true. The U.S. has a private, insurance-run program.

    In the ad, Shona Holmes, of Ontario, says she had a brain tumor and had to wait for a long time in Canada to get a doctor’s appointment. She had to wait so long, she says, that if she didn’t go to the Mayo Clinic in Arizona, she could have died.

    “I knew then the system had become far more dangerous for patients than I had ever realized,” she says in the ad. “The American system was there for me when I needed it.”



    But Canadian doctors told the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation that her story was an exaggeration.

    Holmes had what’s called a Rathke’s cyst, a slow-growing, benign lesion that causes vision loss. The Mayo Clinic said such a cyst can be treated and is not typically fatal.

    But that’s NOT THE WHOLE STORY.

    The Canadian Health Service says there’s no waiting period for patients with life-threatening illnesses. However, 8 percent of Canadian patients do wait six months for some surgeries, according to a national health policy group. But the patients only wait that long for non-threatening, elective operations.

    At the moment, the Americans for Prosperity ad is up and running in 11 states, including Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa.

    Also, this is not the first time Holmes was featured by Americans for Prosperity. In 2009, Holmes made the same claims before Congress voted on the health care bill. However, her claims were later debunked by independent fact-checkers like FactCheck.org.

    The Mayo Clinic said it can’t comment on Holmes’ story, because it doesn’t talk about specific patients. However, in 2007, Mayo Clinic did feature her on its website as a success story. The feature said Holmes was in danger of losing her vision, but it did not say she was in danger of dying.

    Americans for Prosperity says WCCO-TV was wrong to characterize the group's ad as "based on a false premise: that the new healthcare law creates a government-run system."

    Originally posted by CAMSS30
    I have my hand on the pulse of CL users after 7-8 years of dealing with them daily.
  • sport the war
    لا أحد يعلم ما يقول هذا لكنها
    • Dec 2004
    • 17482

    #2
    Anyone remember Joe the Plumber? Why is it that Republicans have such a hard time with the truth?

    Originally posted by CAMSS30
    I have my hand on the pulse of CL users after 7-8 years of dealing with them daily.

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    • crzy88lx
      I Rock Catholic Girls
      • May 2005
      • 3561

      #3
      ask ron paul if he likes the new health care law...
      Total happiness is being stroked and blown at the same time

      https://www.facebook.com/IBuiltMine

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      • NOTNSS
        x
        • Mar 2004
        • 42731

        #4
        Originally posted by crzy88lx View Post
        ask ron paul if he likes the new health care law...
        Ron Paul doesn't like anything, the only way he'd be happy is if this was 1893.

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        • sport the war
          لا أحد يعلم ما يقول هذا لكنها
          • Dec 2004
          • 17482

          #5
          Originally posted by crzy88lx View Post
          ask ron paul if he likes the new health care law...
          I don't like the new healthcare law, However.. coming out and just straight up lying to people is bad business. This isn't a generation bullshit will slide under the radar. Just because you don't like something, that doesn't mean you come out and lie and make up stories about it.

          Originally posted by CAMSS30
          I have my hand on the pulse of CL users after 7-8 years of dealing with them daily.

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          • sport the war
            لا أحد يعلم ما يقول هذا لكنها
            • Dec 2004
            • 17482

            #6
            Originally posted by NOTNSS View Post
            Ron Paul doesn't like anything, the only way he'd be happy is if this was 1893.
            Everyone thinks a time or generation was the place to be, most people love the 50's.. People were suffering back then as they are now. It's all about perception. I blame Elvis for the 50's though.. If he would have just stopped doing Vegas shows people could have let go of the 50's.

            Originally posted by CAMSS30
            I have my hand on the pulse of CL users after 7-8 years of dealing with them daily.

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            • Fernanernie
              Hot slut aficionado
              • Dec 2003
              • 50750

              #7
              Dear Government, eventually the people with money will tell you to fuck off, and stop paying for those that don't work

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              • crzy88lx
                I Rock Catholic Girls
                • May 2005
                • 3561

                #8
                Originally posted by sport the war View Post
                I don't like the new healthcare law, However.. coming out and just straight up lying to people is bad business. This isn't a generation bullshit will slide under the radar. Just because you don't like something, that doesn't mean you come out and lie and make up stories about it.
                Tell that to the current president. he lied about almost everything he said he was going to do in the presidency.

                cut the deficit in half.... lol
                unemployment will never get above 8%....... lol
                lower the sea levels....... lol
                i could go on and on.

                shut up.
                Total happiness is being stroked and blown at the same time

                https://www.facebook.com/IBuiltMine

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                • squeeezer
                  TCS Homer
                  • May 2010
                  • 972

                  #9
                  I believe everything i hear on the news ,and read on the interwebs!!!!!!!
                  nitrous fixes everything!!!!!!!

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                  • NOTNSS
                    x
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 42731

                    #10
                    Originally posted by crzy88lx View Post
                    Tell that to the current president. he lied about almost everything he said he was going to do in the presidency.

                    cut the deficit in half.... lol
                    unemployment will never get above 8%....... lol
                    lower the sea levels....... lol
                    i could go on and on.

                    shut up.
                    He never actually promised that, better double check your facts.

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                    • HAULNSS
                      Northstar Detail Supply
                      • May 2003
                      • 11526

                      #11
                      78% of all statistics are made up.
                      1995 Impala SS / T56 equipped ~ 1995 Firehawk convertible ~ 1964 Riviera ~ 2015 Silverado crew LTZ 6.2L ~ 2017 Silverado 3500HD High Country ~ 1950 Chrysler Windsor

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                      • Fosters
                        Typical white person
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 16014

                        #12
                        If you cannot see that the current law is a stepping stone to a single payer system, especially after the left has admitted to it being exactly that, you're a fucking moron.

                        Let's see, under this law, government controls prices they are able to charge for premiums. If ins businesses need to raise prices, 1 of 2 things will happen:

                        1. They are allowed to increase prices by government - which would mean lost votes.
                        2. They are not allowed to increase prices - which means they will eventually one by one go out of business.

                        I wonder what will be there to replace it? And why did they expand broke ass medicare under this?

                        It's sad, that canadian bitch is such a liar, obamacare is the most capitalist, free market system out there! Thank god they're there to take care of us, those evil right wingers and the koch brothers want to throw grandma out in the street and take her meds away.
                        Originally posted by punch
                        SFC is a bag of stupid.
                        Capitalization is the difference between helping your uncle Jack off a horse & helping your uncle jack off a horse.

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                        • Fosters
                          Typical white person
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 16014

                          #13
                          Originally posted by NOTNSS View Post
                          He never actually promised that, better double check your facts.
                          He didn't but Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the democrats did.
                          Originally posted by punch
                          SFC is a bag of stupid.
                          Capitalization is the difference between helping your uncle Jack off a horse & helping your uncle jack off a horse.

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                          • HAULNSS
                            Northstar Detail Supply
                            • May 2003
                            • 11526

                            #14
                            1995 Impala SS / T56 equipped ~ 1995 Firehawk convertible ~ 1964 Riviera ~ 2015 Silverado crew LTZ 6.2L ~ 2017 Silverado 3500HD High Country ~ 1950 Chrysler Windsor

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                            • mnstang
                              Bookending TCS
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 33500

                              #15
                              Paul Ryan also grossly lied about his marathon time, he said he ran one in under 3 hours and it was really over 4 hours.

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