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  • Newbomb Turk
    Insignificant and boring.
    • Apr 2005
    • 15538

    Can the French retreat from themselves??



    PARIS – Masked youths clashed with police and set fires in cities across France on Tuesday as protests against a proposed hike in the retirement age took an increasingly radical turn. Hundreds of flights were canceled, long lines formed at gas stations and train service in many regions was cut in half.

    President Nicolas Sarkozy pledged to crack down on "troublemakers" and guarantee public order, raising the possibility of more confrontations with young rioters after a week of disruptive but largely nonviolent demonstrations.

    Sarkozy also vowed to ensure that fuel was available to everyone. Some 4,000 gas stations were out of gas Tuesday afternoon, the environment minister said. The prime minister said oil companies agreed to pool gasoline stocks to try to get the dry gas stations filled again.

    Prime Minister Francois Fillon said, "The government will continue to dislodge protesters blocking the fuel depots. ... No one has the right to take hostage an entire country, its economy and its jobs."

    The protesters are trying to prevent the French parliament from approving a bill that would raise the retirement age from 60 to 62 to help prevent the pension system from going bankrupt. Many workers feel the change would be a dangerous step in eroding France's social benefits — which include long vacations, contracts that make it hard for employers to lay off workers and a state-subsidized health care system — in favor of "American-style capitalism."

    Sarkozy's conservative government points out that 62 is among the lowest retirement ages in the world, the French are living much longer than they used to and the pension system is losing money. The workers say the government could find pension savings elsewhere, such as by raising contributions from employers.

    In Paris, huge crowds marched toward the gilded-domed Invalides, where Napoleon is buried. Police estimated the crowd at 60,000, down from 65,000 at a similar march last week. Riot police wielding plastic shields surrounded the massive Place des Invalides.

    "It's important to come out because France wouldn't be what it is today if the generations that came before us hadn't taken to the streets," said Lidwine Mure, a 32-year-old teacher who has attended all six Paris protests since September. Her dark clothes were a collage of pro-strike stickers.

    At a high school in the Paris suburb of Nanterre, a few hundred youths started throwing stones from a bridge at nearly as many police, who responded with tear gas and barricaded the area. Youths also knocked an Associated Press photographer off his motorbike and kicked and punched him as they rampaged down a street adjacent to the school. Another AP photographer was hit in the face by an empty glass bottle in Lyon, where rioters smashed several store windows.
  • 84maro
    that guy
    • Sep 2008
    • 1387

    #2
    Oh no two more years. .... the world must end.
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    • Newbomb Turk
      Insignificant and boring.
      • Apr 2005
      • 15538

      #3
      Originally posted by 84maro View Post
      Oh no two more years. .... the world must end.
      That's kinda what i thought too.

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      • punch
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        Admin
        • Oct 2002
        • 23979

        #4
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        • mnstang
          Bookending TCS
          • Oct 2002
          • 33500

          #5
          that's dumb. they could still retire at 60 if they want. maybe they just wouldn't be able to suck on the govt teet then. what a bunch of babies.

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          • Southern
            Brougham
            • Jun 2005
            • 34553

            #6
            Glad I live in America.
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            • Max Power
              PierreGustaveToutantBeaur egard
              • Apr 2004
              • 13086

              #7
              Originally posted by JBieb5.0 View Post
              Hey! That's not Beeb!

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              • The Russinator
                TCS Homer
                • Apr 2003
                • 5648

                #8
                I dont think I will ever retire. I put into PERA with 3 jobs and have 403b matching with one. Just a fact of life I guess. I figure I will work at least 20 hours a week till I cant do anything.

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                • SFC
                  I know drama
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 24976

                  #9
                  Prime Minister Francois Fillon said, "The government will continue to dislodge protesters blocking the fuel depots. ... No one has the right to take hostage an entire country, its economy and its jobs*."
                  *except us politicians.
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                  • fuzzy moonunit
                    TCS Homer
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 4860

                    #10
                    Originally posted by mnstang View Post
                    that's dumb. they could still retire at 60 if they want. maybe they just wouldn't be able to suck on the govt teet then. what a bunch of babies.
                    There's a lot more going on here that isn't really reported here in the United States. I have many friends currently living in France so I'll try to sum up the reasons they're giving for the strike (in order of importance).

                    1. The changes were made aggressively and without consulting traditional players such as the unions (huge in France, obviously) or even in parliament. Remember how people complained that Obama pushed the healthcare bill through without adequate debate and discussion? This was much worse than that.

                    2. The poor are subsidizing the rich. The rich in France are going to benefit much more from these changes than the poor. (I don't know why this is as I don't know the specifics, only what I heard.)

                    3. Retiring 2 years later. Come on, admit it, if someone told you you had to wait two more years you'd be a little annoyed too. ESPECIALLY in a country where social programs are more important than religion.

                    4. The French fucking love to strike. "La greve" is the national past time. They love to strike like Americans love to watch football. Just last month (or perhaps August) all of Spain went on strike. Think of how embarrassing that was to France? A bunch of Spaniards striking harder than a Frenchmen... They had to catch up somehow.

                    5. The French fucking hate whoever is in power. Jean-Marie LePen is always popular in France because he's NEVER in power. People are going to hate everything that Sarkozy does.

                    6. November 1st is La Toussaint (All-Saints Day), a national holiday in France in which the citizens get one full week off. In other words, if the strikers hold off until then, they automatically get another week added to their vacation! If you were home sick and got better one day before New Years Eve, would you really want to drag yourself in for that one day and interrupt your glorious long vacation?

                    7. The French fucking hate working.



                    There. I think I covered all the main reasons for the strike.

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                    • The Russinator
                      TCS Homer
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 5648

                      #11
                      Bump.... they are still striking.

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                      • 1996shadow
                        Power Wheels Man Junior
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 1735

                        #12
                        Bump....they are all still gay French people that are more concerned about their wine, cheese, and croissants than they are about being able to afford their wine, cheese and croissants.
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                        • fuzzy moonunit
                          TCS Homer
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 4860

                          #13
                          Originally posted by 1996shadow View Post
                          Bump....they are all still gay French people that are more concerned about their wine, cheese, and croissants than they are about being able to afford their wine, cheese and croissants.
                          When you say wine, cheese, and croissants, I assume you just mistranslated liberté, égalité, et fraternité.

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                          • CorinthiansBlackGT
                            TCS Homer
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 4235

                            #14
                            My retirement age is 65...

                            I'll have 47 years in at my job. Only 37 more to go!

                            I'll have paid into social security for 52 years when I can get that benefit @ 67

                            They can cry more. I'm going to die doing what I'm doing. There is no retirement anymore.

                            Even if I contribute the maximum to a 403b (like anyone could) Maybe then I can retire at 50?

                            I get just sick and tired of hearing about these rule of 90ers or those that worked their 30 years and retired at 48..... They complain retirement isn't easy.

                            Atleast you fucking can retire.
                            Last edited by CorinthiansBlackGT; 10-25-2010, 06:05 PM.

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