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[1moretoy]

The fun part about trail riding is to ride ones own ability, not others. Fun CAN be had riding a 600 on the trails. I feel I've never needed more power to have as much fun as I do. I could probably still learn to ride a faster machine but I still ask myself why?

Not being in my 20's anymore may also have an influence on my decision.

[ClOckwOrk]

For trails a 600 is fast enough, when are you ever going to go over 100 in the trails?
I bet a zr440-600 would own your ass lol

i have to meet anyone that can hang with me. people always talk big until we're out on riding and nobody can hang. i use every bit of my 900's power on the trails. twisties fields riverbeds what the hell ever doesnt matter.

if you think a 1997 zr 580 is the best sled on the trail your a noob anyways. that old junk doesnt compare to new equipment not even close. so if you wanna bring your dinosaur out and "own me on the trail" feel free to come riding with me sometime and i'll be happy to put you to shame

[Miekk]

All depends on the driver.
I've seen bran new trail sleds have their ass handed to them by older 136" RMK riders...
I also wouldn't drive my std track sled with less than 1.5" lug no matter how much or little the hifax would need changing.

[Akromix]

You're not going to get that mileage with those big of lugs, bigger lugs eat up speed and mpg. and yes you will melt hyfax on hardpack. Most crossover sleds use a 1.25 track, that seems like too much if you're going to trail ride a lot. You could always change it though.

He could get scrapers and not worry about it. We used those out in wyoming, undo them and let them drag in the snow to fling it into the track = cool hifax

[KRYPTO]

anyone that says a 600 is fast enough is also a pussy brk fgt. i have a zr 900 sno pro EFI that i extended to a 136" x 1" lug track, 16" wide. i use every bit of power that sled has almost always.

For trails a 600 is fast enough, when are you ever going to go over 100 in the trails?
I bet a zr440-600 would own your ass lol

[ClOckwOrk]

crossovers push a little in corners but i wouldnt go far as to say they "dont turn for shit"

however, the backcountry has the narrow (summit) ski stance at 37.5" vs the normal ski stance (41.5" i believe)

this makes them tippy as all hell. an 1 3/4 track holds up alright but over time they do fold over with lots of trail miles. the regular renegade would be better for all around riding with the wider stance and 1 1/4 track.

the etec gets great mileage but they have pretty lame torque numbers, and you can feel it.

anyone that says a 600 is fast enough is also a pussy brk fgt. i have a zr 900 sno pro EFI that i extended to a 136" x 1" lug track, 16" wide. i use every bit of power that sled has almost always.

either way go doo!

[KRYPTO]

97 ZR580 all the way, you wont beat this sled on the trails with a good rider I dont care what you have!

[mnstang]

The advertised dry weight is 453lbs about the same as my old ZR, the etec 600 is 120hp and is supposed to get 20mpg with virtually no 2 stroke smoke.

Does the longer track help bridge the stutter bumps? I also was wondering about the hyfax, and if the lugs are durable with marginal snow?

You're not going to get that mileage with those big of lugs, bigger lugs eat up speed and mpg. and yes you will melt hyfax on hardpack. Most crossover sleds use a 1.25 track, that seems like too much if you're going to trail ride a lot. You could always change it though.

[thebigT]

I got a 07 x fire 800, love it the longer track makes for a nice ride.

[lasered]

I know on my old 2 inch track (Montana sled) the lugs would start to curl when riding on hard compacted trails, this made it slide a ton while trying to accelerate and less effective in the pow because the lugs curled towards the front of the sled. (if that makes sense). I dont know how a 1.75" track would do but I would imagine it would do much of the same if just ridden on trails all season long.

[SteveR]

I see a lot of guys getting these new high power sleds with long tunnels and deep lugs also. They just suck for trail riding. (cant turn for shit)
I would try to find something 99 or newer up to a 600. There really isnt any reason to get anything bigger for trail riding.
The lighter the better

The advertised dry weight is 453lbs about the same as my old ZR, the etec 600 is 120hp and is supposed to get 20mpg with virtually no 2 stroke smoke.

Does the longer track help bridge the stutter bumps? I also was wondering about the hyfax, and if the lugs are durable with marginal snow?

[OrangeCrush 86]

The 1.75 track will be fine. I have an older Renegade 800 136" and the deeper track has been nice. I think you will enjoy the Doo very much.

Do you have to dip into deep snow when on the rail road beds too keep your hi fax cool?

[mnstang]

Depends what you plan to do with it. I'm guessing it won't handle very well on the trail, but you might not get stuck as much. I'd rather have 2 sleds with a purpose instead of one that compromises both, but that is just me.

[Turbo302]

Only thing I don't know about the backcountry is the 1.75 lugs, how would they do trail riding in MN?

Seems like quite a few guys ride on here so I am looking for opinions.

The 1.75 track will be fine. I have an older Renegade 800 136" and the deeper track has been nice. I think you will enjoy the Doo very much.

[KRYPTO]

I see a lot of guys getting these new high power sleds with long tunnels and deep lugs also. They just suck for trail riding. (cant turn for shit)
I would try to find something 99 or newer up to a 600. There really isnt any reason to get anything bigger for trail riding.
The lighter the better