Who has a supercharged intercooled fox ?

[Meegs]

I'm making such a stink about this because this is one of the "tricks" that i was trying to fab-up. for me, not for anybody else, just for me i want to realy play with the 5.0 in somewhat base form. now to qualify "base form" i am talking about throwing all sorts of "tricks" at the motor and seeing what can come about it. --- the intercooler is the last "trick" that I can think of.

after i button up a few other cars that need to be done for Car-Craft I'll be back at the Steeda hard and heavy. in the next couple of weeks i will have droped heavy cash into parts that the average internet browser dis-likes. all in an attempt to dis-prove some tribal knowledge. there is no guarentee that i will not fail.......but i'm having fun doing it

[EFI Performance]

I'm not against intercooling.

You will make more horsepower with a cooler air charge.

But for a stock 5.0l you can make the same amount of horsepower with a simple pulley swap.

Remember superchargers are power adders, not suppliers. You are adding air to your existing combo. Throwing on a larger supercharger on a stock type engine will not give you more power. Especially considering your not over taxing the novi1000 yet.

If you are not finding the horsepower you want with the blower at 10 psi. It's not the blower's fault its your engines and tunes fault. Build a better engine and get it TUNED. Further more, boost is a byproduct of how restricted your engine is. You actually want to watch your air intake CFM to make power.

Meegs intercooling question is a whole different topic between 5.0 and 4.6.

To touch lightly on this, the difference is because of the engine design and tuning.

I could fill this whole page on why 4.6 need intercoolers.

[Meegs]

wow i was just asking....
I run a S/C with a 5.0 but do not have an intercooler so that is why i was wondering why one would say such things.
If your intake air charge temp gets hot then predetonation is enevidable, right? there is also another member here that intercooled his 5.0 and made OVER 100RWHP simply by doing so his 5.0 is now somewhere over 800rwhp

I was just wondering.....

[Southern]

typ-0 4.6 excuse me...

in the same post

All Im saying is I know quite a few guys with a 5.0 Mustang that run big power and do not use an intercooler and have no problems with their setup i.e driveability, overheating, detonation... So with that said, there a a lot of 5.0 guys ( local, on Corral and other stang forums) that would not consider an intercooler an integral part of their set up and would not consider buying one. I for one, am one of them.

You can easily make enough power to split a stock block with just your average SC whether its a Novi2000 or an S-Trim with a shitty tune or a good tune without adding a $1400 intercooler. So why do you need one?

[Meegs]

typ-0 4.6 excuse me...

I don't see any advantages for a intercooler on a 5.0l car.

in the same post

This although, is a totally different story for the 4.6l. You need the intercooler for that application.

[EFI Performance]

What is the difference of intercooling a 4.5 Vs. 5.0?
~Meegs

What's a 4.5?

[Meegs]

Dear Mr. Intercooler,

Can you guys help me understand why all of you are on the "Non-Intercooled" bandwagon? What is the difference of intercooling a 4.6 Vs. 5.0?

There are people (lots of them) that would never even consider putting an intercooler on a blown street car.

I am trying my due diligence to wrap my head around statements like this but can not for the life of me understand.

Respectifully Confussed,
~Meegs

*edit* missed a tenth of a liter

[Southern]

Maybe thats why mine is producing so much heat,novi 1000 with a 8 inch crank pulley @7-8 lbs of boost,I just talked to BTI the company that is making the kit for the fox body to find out how the kit was coming.Still about 2 weeks out,he stated that you will see a 1 lb loss with this kit and your air temps will be about 10 to 15 degrees warmer than the outside temp,that was on a T-trim.I have thought of upgrading to the novi 2000 to try and keep the air temp down but after finding out about this kit I might try the intercooler,I think it would be a good thing to have no matter which blower you have seeing they all loose power after they get hot.

Sell the 1000 and buy the 2000, you will bo so happy you did! There are people (lots of them) that would never even consider putting an intercooler on a blown street car. Get the 2000 and be happy. Talk to 89BlownSSV and he will tell you how much power he was making without an intercooler.

[93 RAT]

That's a excellent breakdown.

Novi2000 ,standard rotation, can also out power the D1SC. Pretty much the same blower spinning in different direction.

I don't see any advantages for a intercooler on a 5.0l car. You want more power, up the pulley or supercharger unit. For years Paxton didn't recommend intercoolers at all on 5.0's. They don't make one, they could if they wanted to, their claim was it was more of a restriction and reduced air flow.

Even the Vortech Max cooler I installed once came with a smaller pulley to move more air from the restriction of the intercooler core. The output temps went down, the boost pressure also went down, Air flow stayed the same.

This although, is a totally different story for the 4.6l. You need the intercooler for that application.

Maybe thats why mine is producing so much heat,novi 1000 with a 8 inch crank pulley @7-8 lbs of boost,I just talked to BTI the company that is making the kit for the fox body to find out how the kit was coming.Still about 2 weeks out,he stated that you will see a 1 lb loss with this kit and your air temps will be about 10 to 15 degrees warmer than the outside temp,that was on a T-trim.I have thought of upgrading to the novi 2000 to try and keep the air temp down but after finding out about this kit I might try the intercooler,I think it would be a good thing to have no matter which blower you have seeing they all loose power after they get hot.

[EFI Performance]

Novi2000 is far larger than an S-trim, but the Novi1000 is close the the same size as an S-trim (speaking in terms of max boost, efficiency, CFM, not in actualy size). Novi2000 is larger than D1SC actualy, and can support more power, at least in the RR version (reverse rotation). The Novi1000 has been proven to suport over 450rwhp on 4.6L aplications, and is pretty much a paxton equivlent of the S-trim, be it slightly smaller, but still larger than the P1SC

That's a excellent breakdown.

Novi2000 ,standard rotation, can also out power the D1SC. Pretty much the same blower spinning in different direction.

I don't see any advantages for a intercooler on a 5.0l car. You want more power, up the pulley or supercharger unit. For years Paxton didn't recommend intercoolers at all on 5.0's. They don't make one, they could if they wanted to, their claim was it was more of a restriction and reduced air flow.

Even the Vortech Max cooler I installed once came with a smaller pulley to move more air from the restriction of the intercooler core. The output temps went down, the boost pressure also went down, Air flow stayed the same.

This although, is a totally different story for the 4.6l. You need the intercooler for that application.

[Southern]

Thats good news, could have been real bad.

[93 RAT]

I heard he (F7RAT) just had a big time overheat, pegged his coolant temp gauge past 270°

Close but no over heat,left car idle for about 20 min with air on(98 degree day) and came back to find the needle one bar before the 270 mark but never boiled out any coolant,hopped on the hiway and it cooled down pretty quick back down to where it normaly run's.Who no's with the stock temp gauge,I need to get a real temp gauge.

[Southern]

Novi2000 is far larger than an S-trim, but the Novi1000 is close the the same size as an S-trim (speaking in terms of max boost, efficiency, CFM, not in actualy size). Novi2000 is larger than D1SC actualy, and can support more power, at least in the RR version (reverse rotation). The Novi1000 has been proven to suport over 450rwhp on 4.6L aplications, and is pretty much a paxton equivlent of the S-trim, be it slightly smaller, but still larger than the P1SC

I pulled 1 degree from 4000rpm up, and then set it up to pull 2 more degrees when the air charge got up over 160degrees (so now its pulling 4degrees at 160, 6 at 180, ect ect). So now if the ACT is at 160 degrees it has 16-17 degrees of spark. Problem with 5.0 motors is if you start to get too low of timing, they simply will not rev, they will actualy start to miss in the upper RPM range.. I left the car plenty rich to help try and keep combustion cool, but if I recall, he said he was seeing over 12psi boost, with no intercooler, thats creating lots of heat.

I heard he (F7RAT) just had a big time overheat, pegged his coolant temp gauge past 270°

[Sweet35th]

Still got good power? How many degrees did Casey pull? The s-trim is comparable to the NOVI 2000, correct me if I'm wrong-Tim. Rated for 10psi? I think you will still get some power fade from a NOVI 2000 or s-trim when it's warm out. What are you trying to accomplish with the intercooler. More power??

Novi2000 is far larger than an S-trim, but the Novi1000 is close the the same size as an S-trim (speaking in terms of max boost, efficiency, CFM, not in actualy size). Novi2000 is larger than D1SC actualy, and can support more power, at least in the RR version (reverse rotation). The Novi1000 has been proven to suport over 450rwhp on 4.6L aplications, and is pretty much a paxton equivlent of the S-trim, be it slightly smaller, but still larger than the P1SC

I pulled 1 degree from 4000rpm up, and then set it up to pull 2 more degrees when the air charge got up over 160degrees (so now its pulling 4degrees at 160, 6 at 180, ect ect). So now if the ACT is at 160 degrees it has 16-17 degrees of spark. Problem with 5.0 motors is if you start to get too low of timing, they simply will not rev, they will actualy start to miss in the upper RPM range.. I left the car plenty rich to help try and keep combustion cool, but if I recall, he said he was seeing over 12psi boost, with no intercooler, thats creating lots of heat.

[Southern]

Out of the box, my S-Trim made 10psi with the AFR 185 heads and F-cam, I swapped to a 2.95" pulley and was around 15-16 in good air, never a hint of detonation/pinging. Stock size pulley is 3.33" on an S-trim and max "efficient " boost is claimed to be 18 psi. Then they start heating up the air too much.