Nurse strike back fires!

[kineda]

They can do that. It will be difficult to find 12000 replacements that fast though.

A strike rarely has a desirable outcome for the people striking. I know what it is about on both sides. The hospitals have to cut to make things profitable and are taking it out on the nurses in the form less than 1/2 the pention that was negotiated in the past and mass rearrangement and possibly risking the patient safety, therefore, the nurses' liscence. Dont for a second think twice that if a patient gets inadequate care because they are stretched thin, that the hospital will back them. They get thrown under the bus and disassociated witht he hospital. It is a legitamate safety concern for patients and a longevity for their own livelyhood for the long term that is the main concern.

There hasnt been a happy medium. Up until now, the contact was good and all negotioations until this one has been in good faith and now they want massive restructuring. Hospitals were profitable up until this point. Why are they looking for such a drastic change now?

If I had a pention that I thought was decent and all of a sudden they were looking to cut it in half, would I not try to fight it. You cant tell me you all wouldnt either. Nobody would just chalk it up to being "a sign of the times" Like I said, I understand both sides, but risking my wife's (and many others) liscence because she is put in scinerios that she no longer has control over, that the hospital wont back if anything goes bad, just so they can have more profit, all the while risking patient care seems dumb to me. If I was in the hospital in a critical care unit, I would want the attention I need, not get what is left over after my nurse has to deal with the 7 other patienst she has besides me.

i love everytime people say profits ALL PROFITS ARE REINVESTED INTO THE COMPANY FOR THE PATIENTS AND TO MAKE THE MEDICAL STAFF'S JOBS EASIER...

if direct patient facing healthcare was about profits you would be caring for sick people on dirt floors, writing shit down on a chalkboard for medical records and yelling down the hallway to communicate.

also do you think for a second the entire rest of the company hasnt gone through tremendous restructuring before it rolled down to direct patient facing employees? fuck i wouldnt be surprised with how all of the federal money is changing as well as how the new health insurance system will be structured if the entire industry doesnt go belly up in a few years.

[TRDon]

I'd say they're contracts expired. Terminate their employment and let them re-apply for their old positions.

They can do that. It will be difficult to find 12000 replacements that fast though.

A strike rarely has a desirable outcome for the people striking. I know what it is about on both sides. The hospitals have to cut to make things profitable and are taking it out on the nurses in the form less than 1/2 the pention that was negotiated in the past and mass rearrangement and possibly risking the patient safety, therefore, the nurses' liscence. Dont for a second think twice that if a patient gets inadequate care because they are stretched thin, that the hospital will back them. They get thrown under the bus and disassociated witht he hospital. It is a legitamate safety concern for patients and a longevity for their own livelyhood for the long term that is the main concern.

There hasnt been a happy medium. Up until now, the contact was good and all negotioations until this one has been in good faith and now they want massive restructuring. Hospitals were profitable up until this point. Why are they looking for such a drastic change now?

If I had a pention that I thought was decent and all of a sudden they were looking to cut it in half, would I not try to fight it. You cant tell me you all wouldnt either. Nobody would just chalk it up to being "a sign of the times" Like I said, I understand both sides, but risking my wife's (and many others) liscence because she is put in scinerios that she no longer has control over, that the hospital wont back if anything goes bad, just so they can have more profit, all the while risking patient care seems dumb to me. If I was in the hospital in a critical care unit, I would want the attention I need, not get what is left over after my nurse has to deal with the 7 other patienst she has besides me.

[svonasek]

The contract is extended until a new contract is reached. The contract did expire, but is extended until a new one is reached. That is the norm for contracted employees.

So only the hospital has to continue honoring the contract? If I was an employer and had a contract between myself and the employee I'm pretty sure I'd put something in there about showing up to work.

As far as I'm concerned as soon as they went on strike that should have ended any contract they had. A strike is pretty much an end to negotiation and strong arm way to try and get what they couldn't get during negotiations.

I'd say they're contracts expired. Terminate their employment and let them re-apply for their old positions.


I'm not anti-union. As I've said before unions have a purpose in the trade industries where employment is seasonal or temporary. The union kind of acts as a temp service for carpenters, electricians etc...

I see no need for the union involvement with any place that hires people on long term.

[Spiral]

I am anti-union, that is all I have to say.

[Max Power]

I don't claim to be, and never will, I smart enough to know I’m not that smart.

And yet, that never stops you.

Is this about the time where you start throwing "unchristian" into the argument?

[bluchev]

I would, but when the Indian beats me down there will only be scab nurses to save me, an almost certain death.

although i disagree with your point of view and opinion, i see no point in beating you up yet.

[93SVT]

Bill,

This is uber common in large business. when a business gets very large like say a hospital, the employees absolutely don't give a fuck about the business itself or especially the chief. In fact I've picked up that they actually despise the leader and the name on their paychecks.

Kind of like Walmart. Do you think any of the mid to low level employees give 2 shits about walmarts bottom dollar. They hate walmart.

Same thing could be said about 3M or other local big business. Only reason anybody ever does care is if their is profit sharing. lol

I'm not arguing with you here tho. I agree the nurses and their husbands don't understand the business model as they are nurses. In a down-time in the economy people are gonna lose benefits, take pay cuts and lose jobs. Unions just cause shit like this to happen. I'm sure the hospital isn't pulling in as much money as it used too.

O I'm aware of it, I just think people need to fucking grow up. My Mom has worked for 3M for 35 years and I know for a fact she LOVES when they do good, granted most of this is because she has a shit ton of money invested in the company but that’s fine and IMHO that’s the way it should be. These stupid union members would be much better off dissolving and coming back as individuals for an offer to obtain some sort of profit sharing (yes I’m aware many of these are non-profits and this would be possible without a restructure), then they would be vested in the machine running efficiently. Instead they invest in their unions so they can attempt to obtain the same finical gain but without the hard work, sacrifice and any sort of responsibility pertaining to company profits.

I LOVE working for a smaller company, everyone wants to kick ass day after day, people go out of their way to come up with cost saving measurers (and when you do it’s very much appreciated) When we bid a project for X amount of hours and finish early it’s great, on to the next thing knowing full well you just made the company bank and that bonus next December will be just a little bit bigger.

I want to see a fucking fist fight over this shit. Come on you fucking pussies. GET FUCKING MAD.

I would, but when the Indian beats me down there will only be scab nurses to save me, an almost certain death.

[2 beer]

I want to see a fucking fist fight over this shit. Come on you fucking pussies. GET FUCKING MAD.

[RayK]

The biggest complaint I keep hearing is the patient to nurse ratio, yet I have yet to hear a solution offered from the nurses. They must have suggestions. I'd like to hear them.

Since money is not the issue and patient care is there only concern I suggest they all take 10% pay cuts. Then for every 10 nurses currenty employed they can hire one additional nurse. Patient/nurses ratio goes down.

Since 10% cuts are normal these days I don't see how they could be that unhappy about it. Besides the patients would be better off and that's the most important issue

10% cuts are normal these days?

I don't think so and more people are quitting now to change jobs then being laid off.

What's the current unemployment rate in the Metro?

[TRDon]

Bill,

This is uber common in large business. when a business gets very large like say a hospital, the employees absolutely don't give a fuck about the business itself or especially the chief. In fact I've picked up that they actually despise the leader and the name on their paychecks.

Kind of like Walmart. Do you think any of the mid to low level employees give 2 shits about walmarts bottom dollar. They hate walmart.

Same thing could be said about 3M or other local big business. Only reason anybody ever does care is if their is profit sharing. lol

I'm not arguing with you here tho. I agree the nurses and their husbands don't understand the business model as they are nurses. In a down-time in the economy people are gonna lose benefits, take pay cuts and lose jobs. Unions just cause shit like this to happen. I'm sure the hospital isn't pulling in as much money as it used too.

That is the douchiest comment I have read so far.

[289Notch]

Exactly!!!! You don't care about the bottom line! What the fuck is wrong with this fucking country, employees not giving a fuck if there company pulls down a profit, dumb fucks like you thinking break even is the key to a successful economy.

Bill,

This is uber common in large business. when a business gets very large like say a hospital, the employees absolutely don't give a fuck about the business itself or especially the chief. In fact I've picked up that they actually despise the leader and the name on their paychecks.

Kind of like Walmart. Do you think any of the mid to low level employees give 2 shits about walmarts bottom dollar. They hate walmart.

Same thing could be said about 3M or other local big business. Only reason anybody ever does care is if their is profit sharing. lol

I'm not arguing with you here tho. I agree the nurses and their husbands don't understand the business model as they are nurses. In a down-time in the economy people are gonna lose benefits, take pay cuts and lose jobs. Unions just cause shit like this to happen. I'm sure the hospital isn't pulling in as much money as it used too.

[TRDon]

Isn't there contract already up? Isn't that why they're striking to try and get a new one? Or are they just deciding in the middle of their contract that they want to re-negotiate?

edit: From what I can find their contract expired may 31st. Can the hospital still be held for breach of contract on an expired contract?

The contract is extended until a new contract is reached. The contract did expire, but is extended until a new one is reached. That is the norm for contracted employees.

I dont see any rationalization in this thread at all. This is all the same union/antiunion banter. Chad, you might as well stop, the only ones listening are the ones with an open mind, not the anti-union guys that are crabbing at you.

[kineda]

The biggest complaint I keep hearing is the patient to nurse ratio, yet I have yet to hear a solution offered from the nurses. They must have suggestions. I'd like to hear them.

Since money is not the issue and patient care is there only concern I suggest they all take 10% pay cuts. Then for every 10 nurses currenty employed they can hire one additional nurse. Patient/nurses ratio goes down.

Since 10% cuts are normal these days I don't see how they could be that unhappy about it. Besides the patients would be better off and that's the most important issue

[93SVT]

The biggest complaint I keep hearing is the patient to nurse ratio, yet I have yet to hear a solution offered from the nurses. They must have suggestions. I'd like to hear them.

Since money is not the issue and patient care is there only concern I suggest they all take 10% pay cuts. Then for every 10 nurses currenty employed they can hire one additional nurse. Patient/nurses ratio goes down.

Since 10% cuts are normal these days I don't see how they could be that unhappy about it. Besides the patients would be better off and that's the most important issue

PEOPLE WILL DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

93SVT, lick my sack you faggot, i could care less about the hospital's bottom line. This has alot more to do with common sense while practicing medicine.

Exactly!!!! You don't care about the bottom line! What the fuck is wrong with this fucking country, employees not giving a fuck if there company pulls down a profit, dumb fucks like you thinking break even is the key to a successful economy. Get back to the oil change pit already you moron.

[289Notch]

The biggest complaint I keep hearing is the patient to nurse ratio, yet I have yet to hear a solution offered from the nurses. They must have suggestions. I'd like to hear them.

Since money is not the issue and patient care is there only concern I suggest they all take 10% pay cuts. Then for every 10 nurses currenty employed they can hire one additional nurse. Patient/nurses ratio goes down.

Since 10% cuts are normal these days I don't see how they could be that unhappy about it. Besides the patients would be better off and that's the most important issue

Fuck ya.