Engine gets 100mpg in a fox chasis

[SDK]

68GTO if you know so god damn much why aren't you a scientist or engineer making buku money?

Post up some damn credentials for the shit you spew, or go back to working in the jet propulsion lab if you indeed are as smart as you'd like us all to think.

His arguments that it can't be done are because of underlying anti conspiracy theory. If it can be done it begs the question that political pressure has kept the technology suppressed. He won't admit that is a possibility. So he adheres to the side that it is impossible to do better. Which is foolish.

Remember what Tommy Lee Jones said in MIB

"Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."

[GoldenPlump]

His arguments that it can't be done are because of underlying anti conspiracy theory. If it can be done it begs the question that political pressure has kept the technology suppressed. He won't admit that is a possibility. So he adheres to the side that it is impossible to do better. Which is foolish.

Remember what Tommy Lee Jones said in MIB

"Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."

The amount of shit that MONEY influences our government is absolutely ridiculous.

There is so much money going under the table in washington that it's ridiculous. There's so many government projects being handed out to companies related to lawmakers that it's a damn joke. (like many documented contracts going out to a higher bidder with less experience, a product that is not as good...but gosh darn they are cousins of a lawmaker!)

Now since I am no scientist, I know nothing about building 100mpg cars I can't say for sure if it can be done either way...But I'm guessing since the tailpipe of a Prius still gets pretty damn hot that there is the possibility of getting there. Until that tailpipe and engine block are lukewarm to cool...I'd say it's possible.

But then you have other people out there like 68GTO who also are not scientists and know nothing about building 100mpg cars....you fill in the rest.

[Steve]

Your point again?

Let's see:
Claim = 100 mpg (that's miles per gallon of gasoline)
To extract energy from gasoline what must happen? Anyone? Oh yeah, compress and ignite.


Since the claim was 100 MPG, I fail to see your explanation of how you would extract the energy present in said gallon of gasoline.

Fail.

Here's my point, felcher.

Modern gasoline engines have an average efficiency of about 25 to 30% when used to power an automobile. In other words, of the total heat energy of gasoline, 70 to 75% is rejected (as heat) in the exhaust or consumed by the motor (friction, air turbulence, heat through the cylinder walls or cylinder head, and work used to turn engine equipment and appliances such as water and oil pumps and electrical generator), and only about 25% of energy moves the vehicle.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/atv.shtml

says it's only about 15%, either way it's safe to say there is a lot of energy being wasted which represents an opportunity.

Now you may go back to felching, felcher.

[Steve]

Oh, and if you want to make the argument that the majority of the 70-85% energy loss is due to friction and not heat loss I won't be listening. Excuse me, I have to go, my fuel is boiling.

[Mullet Tuner]

Not possible. 92MNStanger is dead on. I think I could build an 80-100 MPG diesel powered car, it certainly wouldn't be street legal though.

[GoldenPlump]

Oh, and if you want to make the argument that the majority of the 70-85% energy loss is due to friction and not heat loss I won't be listening. Excuse me, I have to go, my fuel is boiling.

[Fosters]

It is impossible for a V8 over 2L to get 100mpg on gasoline. Carb/Port Fuel/Ultra lean direct injection, not possible.

A 2nd gen Prius can get 100mpg with a kit. How? It runs off fucking batteries more.

The dude with the 100mpg 500hp fox is completely full of shit! And he made national news. Media is stupid.

I bet it's doable. But the v8 wouldn't be driving the wheels, it would be driving a generator that produces electricity that powers electrical motors that power the wheels alone. Basically, the diesel-electric locomotive principle, much more efficient than the crappy ass 2 engines 1 transmission hybrids of today...

[68GTO]

Here's my point, felcher.

Modern gasoline engines have an average efficiency of about 25 to 30% when used to power an automobile. In other words, of the total heat energy of gasoline, 70 to 75% is rejected (as heat) in the exhaust or consumed by the motor (friction, air turbulence, heat through the cylinder walls or cylinder head, and work used to turn engine equipment and appliances such as water and oil pumps and electrical generator), and only about 25% of energy moves the vehicle.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/atv.shtml

says it's only about 15%, either way it's safe to say there is a lot of energy being wasted which represents an opportunity.

Now you may go back to felching, felcher.

Hey Gerbil lover, why so fixated? People tend to project their insecurities on others...why do you like Gerbils so much?

Back to the point Mr. ADHD...focus!

Claim was made by a guy in Fox body mustang with V8 - not just of MPG but power also. You attempt to make a point about efficiency that somehow impugns my comments. Show me where I made an efficiency percentage claim.... <taps feet> What I said was that there are losses of efficiency when one converts energy from one form to another (not a loss in the physics sense that energy is neither created nor destroyed) but a loss in energy that is able to be harnessed. Friction, noise, heat...

There is no secret carburetor that can deliver 100 mpg on a normal car. The car is a "system" and all parts of the system need to be engineered to take advantage of such delivery efficiencies as claimed.

Not buying it. No proof of such a device. No proof of such a claim as made here. Didn't happen.

Lastly, its fascinating to watch how quickly some people lose focus (can't engage in/can't support an argument) and resort to personal attacks to hide their failings in the marketplace of ideas or persuasion.

Plumper knows next to nothing about me, my accomplishments, my studies nor my interests yet announces that I should have a certain job to have an opinion. Hmmm
Stanga-langa-ding-dong tries the tactic used by high school sophomores of intimidation via implication in things tawdry.

Keep swinging boys...

[SDK]

Hey Gerbil lover, why so fixated? People tend to project their insecurities on others...why do you like Gerbils so much?

Back to the point Mr. ADHD...focus!

Claim was made by a guy in Fox body mustang with V8 - not just of MPG but power also. You attempt to make a point about efficiency that somehow impugns my comments. Show me where I made an efficiency percentage claim.... <taps feet> What I said was that there are losses of efficiency when one converts energy from one form to another (not a loss in the physics sense that energy is neither created nor destroyed) but a loss in energy that is able to be harnessed. Friction, noise, heat...

There is no secret carburetor that can deliver 100 mpg on a normal car. The car is a "system" and all parts of the system need to be engineered to take advantage of such delivery efficiencies as claimed.

Not buying it. No proof of such a device. No proof of such a claim as made here. Didn't happen.

Lastly, its fascinating to watch how quickly some people lose focus (can't engage in/can't support an argument) and resort to personal attacks to hide their failings in the marketplace of ideas or persuasion.

Plumper knows next to nothing about me, my accomplishments, my studies nor my interests yet announces that I should have a certain job to have an opinion. Hmmm
Stanga-langa-ding-dong tries the tactic used by high school sophomores of intimidation via implication in things tawdry.

Keep swinging boys...

I did not say anything about your job or how it influences your opinions. I have read your arguments many times against any government conspiracies. I believe those beliefs of yours lead you to believe that cars are as efficient as they can be on pump gas.

[Steve]

I didn't read your whole last post. I got bored 1/4 way through. My response was to your question...what's my point? My point was that your little equation of X energy to move Y mass Z distance (or whatever it was) is not necessarily correct when referencing gas mileage because most of the energy (which you referred to) is used to heat the water in our radiators and heat our tail pipes. All of this has nothing to do with a fox getting 100 mpg and I think it's BS too. I was just answering your question.

[GoldenPlump]

Quoted for truth.

[ratrod 1]

why do you guys think it is immposible??? did any one go to the gsta show at the fairgrounds?? they had cars there that high school kids built,and the one from armsrong sr high got 800 miles to the gallon.of gas,and some where e-85. true they were nothing more than souped up biycicle's .butt none the less it can be done. and the fox body car ran on e-85 not gas..there is nitrogen kits out there that dramaticly improve milage.a friend of mine put one on his hhr chevy and it's getting 46 miles to the gallon ..

[GoldenPlump]

why do you guys think it is immposible??? did any one go to the gsta show at the fairgrounds?? they had cars there that high school kids built,and the one from armsrong sr high got 800 miles to the gallon.of gas,and some where e-85. true they were nothing more than souped up biycicle's .butt none the less it can be done. and the fox body car ran on e-85 not gas..there is nitrogen kits out there that dramaticly improve milage.a friend of mine put one on his hhr chevy and it's getting 46 miles to the gallon ..

Didn't you read? 68GTO (who happens to know more than ANYONE on EVERY subject) said it's impossible.

[ratrod 1]

[Sweet35th]

This was posted a while back. The guy is using theoretical gas consumption. All he is doing is running E85. Since its 15% gas it takes 6.66 gallons of E85 to have 1 gallon of gas. The car gets 15mpg on E85, so thus it is getting 100mpg on gas because for everyone 100 miles only 1 gallon of gas was theoretically consumed.